Criticisms and comments nowadays...


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jeanie

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i came into cs because i wanted to share my pics and at the same time pick up some good tips from fellow hobbyists.
initially when i joined cs, i didnt post much(because i hadnt gotten my Dslr), and i really did learn alot through the honest criticisms and such by looking at members' postings.

however of late, if you do visit portraiture folder, i see pics which are ...*how should i put it*....not up to a certain standard, and i see some members throwing encouraging comments/remarks.you know, the GOOD words and angel phrases.

i would like to ask you guys, do you think, by throwing such 'good' comments, it's going to help the fellow cser improve their photography skills?

everyone likes to hear the good stuff.me included.:embrass:
but whenever i post a pic, what i would love to hear are GENUINE,honest criticisms to help me improve.

i certainly hope CS will not degenerate into a forum where all the harsh, 'bad' but genuine,honest, frank comments are filtered, and frown upon.

and NO, i didnt started this thread because of the recent friction i had with leejay,lensbaby or the TS in the NIRA thread.

but this issue has really been bugging me, and it didnt helped when i logged in yesterday and saw DP's thread being locked.IIRC(i didnt read the entire thread), the point he wanted to put across was almost similar to what i have in mind.

i hope the moderators allow csers to speak their minds and not lock this thread.
and NO, this is not a flame bait thread and i do not wish to engage with anybody over mindless squabbles.so please, if you have any personal issues with me, pm me.
 

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Jeanie, you have to remember that CS is open to EVERYONE.

If I am of a low standard, and I see a photo of a low standard but it seems nice to me..

I -am- being honest when I say I think it is nice!

What is art? What is good? I'm sure there are obviously BAD photos, and I'm also sure no one wants P&P to turn into sggirls.com, but honestly, what regulation can you do for such things without hindering the idea of FREE EXPRESSION with regards to "works of art" (bad or good)?
 

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Jeanie, you have to remember that CS is open to EVERYONE.

If I am of a low standard, and I see a photo of a low standard but it seems nice to me..

I -am- being honest when I say I think it is nice!

What is art? What is good? I'm sure there are obviously BAD photos, and I'm also sure no one wants P&P to turn into sggirls.com, but honestly, what regulation can you do for such things without hindering the idea of FREE EXPRESSION with regards to "works of art" (bad or good)?
sigh...i know cs is open to everyone.
you have a good point there really.
i agree.
 

eow

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simple...cos we all too opionated...come come join me in shooting landscape and still life..it simpler...doesn't invited harsh critism and also a lot more challenging....come come joined me i can carry yr gear and shoot for u too
 

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sigh...i know cs is open to everyone.
you have a good point there really.
i agree.
Well, there's no choice. I think "how to learn" would be to really screen the comments by yourself. I mean there ARE substantial amounts of people around who take the time and effort to really present their POV regarding a photograph (e.g. eikin, DP when he's in a good mood, espion to name a few). And we all have to take everything posted here with a pinch of salt anyways. =/

Of course there will be people with easily inflated egos. But that is life. They will then post massive amounts of not-so-good photos and be rewarded with joy and squeals from the members who welcome skimpy babes (like yours truly <3).. Conditioned response.
 

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however of late, if you do visit portraiture folder, i see pics which are ...*how should i put it*....not up to a certain standard, and i see some members throwing encouraging comments/remarks.you know, the GOOD words and angel phrases.
this doesn't just happen in the portraiture section u know.... have u seen some of the other sections?
 

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simple...cos we all too opionated...come come join me in shooting landscape and still life..it simpler...doesn't invited harsh critism and also a lot more challenging....come come joined me i can carry yr gear and shoot for u too
i do landscapes too.but only overseas...not singapore wor.
 

jeanie

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this doesn't just happen in the portraiture section u know.... have u seen some of the other sections?
i use to visit other sections.but i'm a portraiture person.
i do landscapes if i travel, and recently got a macro lens.

you mean other sections' the same?i reckon it wont be as bad as portraiture folder bah?:embrass:
 

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theres a section called Critic section anyway.... :dunno:
 

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it's not so much about the person giving the comments, but about the person receiving it.

to a person who is really mindful and sincere about the comments he/she is receiving, even a bad & lousy comment made with the most vicious of intentions can be turned into something constructive. or at least, a test of one's patience and character.

if one is just interested in receiving candypop comments, so shall it be. perhaps the baby in him/her needs to be tempered first.
 

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it's not so much about the person giving the comments, but about the person receiving it.

to a person who is really mindful and sincere about the comments he/she is receiving, even a bad & lousy comment made with the most vicious of intentions can be turned into something constructive. or at least, a test of one's patience and character.

if one is just interested in receiving candypop comments, so shall it be. perhaps the baby in him/her needs to be tempered first.
can give an example?
 

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it's not so much about the person giving the comments, but about the person receiving it.

to a person who is really mindful and sincere about the comments he/she is receiving, even a bad & lousy comment made with the most vicious of intentions can be turned into something constructive. or at least, a test of one's patience and character.

if one is just interested in receiving candypop comments, so shall it be. perhaps the baby in him/her needs to be tempered first.
For some people, no matter how polite the critique or constructive comment is, they will still take it the wrong way. Thankfully he is now dearly departed - but his sidekick is still around.
 

eow

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i do landscapes too.but only overseas...not singapore wor.
yes dear:embrass: we do cover overseas too...recently back from thailand on 'EX SAWADEEKA'...coming next 'OPS BETEL NUT' at taiwan...
dun worry and dun be shy....i will include u in our list for this coming trip:p
 

jeanie

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For some people, no matter how polite the critique or comment is, they will still take it the wrong way. Thankfully they are now dearly departed.
dont turn this into something personal.
people have came and made their choice, so be it and leave it.:embrass:

but seriously, whenever i post pics, i really want the members here to give me their GENUINE comments.be it harsh or not.
one thing i realised is, the pro's seldom give their 2 cents.
so how will we newbies move foward?:dunno:
 

jeanie

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yes dear:embrass: we do cover overseas too...recently back from thailand on 'EX SAWADEEKA'...coming next 'OPS BETEL NUT' at taiwan...
dun worry and dun be shy....i will include u in our list for this coming trip:p

let's join the tibet trip then.u carry all my gear for me can?including my 3 piece luggage.:D
 

jeanie

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sometimes, frank and outspoken comments are pretty much being frowned on.
dp's comments is a good example.

is this the reason why it keeps you guys from shooting the truth about 'pics not up to standards'?
 

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dont turn this into something personal.
people have came and made their choice, so be it and leave it.:embrass:

but seriously, whenever i post pics, i really want the members here to give me their GENUINE comments.be it harsh or not.
one thing i realised is, the pro's seldom give their 2 cents.
so how will we newbies move foward?:dunno:
Who is making it personal - just stating the facts. You were not the only victim of his unnecessary vitriol.
 

jeanie

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Who is making it personal - just stating the facts. You were not the only victim of his unnecessary vitriol.
dont be angry.discussion sake only.

and my previous post was only a gentle gentle reminder.ok?
i apologise if i sound offensive.

but i shoot my mind.really.

people come, cant take comments, they go, so be it.really.
they are old enough to think for themselves.we shouldnt dig it up or use this thread to flog the dead horse.:embrass:
 

eow

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let's join the tibet trip then.u carry all my gear for me can?including my 3 piece luggage.:D
u made an offer i can't refuse
ok i'm on;)
 

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