Casino or not?

Casino or not?


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jonlou

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no matter how many polls held anywhere and with the media wanting to get singaporeans to debate and talk abt it, its not like as if any of these views are gonna inspire the local government here to make a decision based on those suggestions... i think we should get the decision in less than a week from now according to the news...
 

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It's so obvious it will be done regardless of what SGeans think... it's extra income for ... *ahem* get it? :)
 

jonlou

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espn said:
It's so obvious it will be done regardless of what SGeans think... it's extra income for ... *ahem* get it? :)
well said espn. i dunnoe abt the extra income part lar, i also dun wan to make any assumptions with baseless ground, but coming back, since when did they did anything with regards to the thoughts and views that is being churned out by the many brain cells of singaporeans... :what:
 

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I think that the govt. has no more ideas to regenerate interest in Singapore, so they have to resort to building a "mega-resort" featuring a casino. :complain:

So far, the only other "creative" employment they have is "restructured" cleaning jobs. :rolleyes:
 

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jonlou said:
well said espn. i dunnoe abt the extra income part lar, i also dun wan to make any assumptions with baseless ground, but coming back, since when did they did anything with regards to the thoughts and views that is being churned out by the many brain cells of singaporeans... :what:
They only have to do it once to say they do listen, remember Chek Jawa? After that, they've been quoting it as example they do listen, but it's just once... and they use it forever.

Just wait and see, it will be gone ahead...
 

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espn said:
They only have to do it once to say they do listen, remember Chek Jawa? After that, they've been quoting it as example they do listen, but it's just once... and they use it forever.

Just wait and see, it will be gone ahead...
aiyah.... one side in, one side out lar... only chek jawa in already dunnoe why stuck inside lor... dun really wan to drag the politics in at the end of the day... if not the thread is gonna be even longer than the sentosa one, in fact, longer than the actual sentosa island lar i tell u... :rolleyes:
 

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i juz dun like the idea one single bit. Casino is a big nono for singapore. and i for one will stand to my ground till i am dead.

NO.
 

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I voted yes for reasons below :

1) Our citizens are frequently going to the cruse & genting to gamble anyway, & how much do they spend per trip?

2) In a week, how many times & how much they spend on 4D, TOTO, Scratch, Horse Racing, Soccer betting?

3) Look @ the situation here, manufacturing are moving out, ie less jobs, worse have to compete with foriegn talents for the jobs, so Casino island can create alot more jobs, together with the hotels and amusement park.

4) Singapore is so small, most of our tourist attraction are more of a 1 time visit is enough. Having Casino helps.

5) If one can control how frequent & how much to spend on gabling as of now (1) & (2), they should be able to control their spending when visiting the Casino.
 

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if the casino can decrease GST, income tax, this tax that tax, wadever taxes. then yes...
 

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firstly, i want the monies paid by the developers to the govt to go towards the people of singapore, eg. funding an unemployment benefits scheme, fund an elderly health insurance scheme, among others.

it should not go towards boosting the govt's reserves, again.
 

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Are you guys afraid? What you guys are afraid of? A casino? I am not afraid of moving to analog MF cameras instead of following the trend like many who wanna go digital.


Same thing here. If gambling is the trend, are you a follower or you go your own way? If you are not a gambler why bother whether it is built or not? If you are a gambler what difference does it make to build it? You will not gamble if you are not a gambler and you will still gamble if you are one even if it is built.


When I see the interview on this guy who collected 29K signatures online, I find that it is a BIG joke. How many of those 29K are really sincere in opposing the move to build one? 29K out of 3 million++ (1%?) is a BIG joke when you consider the 500K out of 6 millions++ (12%?) you see in HongKong physically in 2004.


End of the day, it will still be built as those who oppose gambling (the religious group mainly) will not gamble and we will get REAL attractions for inflow of money from our dear foreigners when HK have Disney, Japan have Disney and Universal Studio, Thailand have their history and culture, likewise for Laos, Burma, Cambodia and in particular China. Even Philippines has something else more than Singapore.


"Singapore, is it a part of China?" is the biggest joke I have heard for Singapore, an insult to my heart.
 

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fuzzy said:
if the casino can decrease GST, income tax, this tax that tax, wadever taxes. then yes...
That is impossible. If you run the country like George Bush (yeah Booshi.t) or some Capitalism way, you can get ready to move to another country very soon.
 

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reachme2003 said:
firstly, i want the monies paid by the developers to the govt to go towards the people of singapore, eg. funding an unemployment benefits scheme, fund an elderly health insurance scheme, among others.

That will be scary, VERY scary.

1. Unemployment Benefits
People will have no motivation to work. There will be more and more people who are unemployed will be less motivated to work. How many people are unemployed now? 60K for a start? Each person give $500 per month, one year you will need $360 million to support. I rather spend these $360 million to train people so they can get back into the workforce.

2. Elderly Health Insurance Scheme
They have their own CPF and Insurance scheme. Those that cannot are now being funded by charity. If you start this thing, people will be relying on the government more and more. Do not forget the population is getting older and with this system the tax will be more and more. Instead of relying on this we should plan early.
 

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theITguy said:
Are you guys afraid? What you guys are afraid of? A casino? I am not afraid of moving to analog MF cameras instead of following the trend like many who wanna go digital.
your example would actually support NOT having a casino. since having a casino is the trend, singapore should be brave enough to buck the trend.

Same thing here. If gambling is the trend, are you a follower or you go your own way? If you are not a gambler why bother whether it is built or not? If you are a gambler what difference does it make to build it? You will not gamble if you are not a gambler and you will still gamble if you are one even if it is built.
gamblers are made, not born. give people the opportunity or temptation and they may get addicted. true, we have 4D, TOTO, horse racing etc, but no one can gamble 24/7 in these forms of gambling unlike the casinos with their super-addictive jackpot machines for example. i won't be surprised if some people actually camp inside the casino playing jackpot machines for days on end.

When I see the interview on this guy who collected 29K signatures online, I find that it is a BIG joke. How many of those 29K are really sincere in opposing the move to build one? 29K out of 3 million++ (1%?) is a BIG joke when you consider the 500K out of 6 millions++ (12%?) you see in HongKong physically in 2004.
ask yourself, why wasn't a national referendum called so that all singaporeans can vote on the issue? where is the sincerity of the powers that be? in the absence of any referendum, and with the widespread belief that the casino is already a done deal, the fact that someone actually bothered to gather signatures for a petition is an encouraging sign that some singaporeans are prepared to stand up publicly for their views.

End of the day, it will still be built as those who oppose gambling (the religious group mainly) will not gamble and we will get REAL attractions for inflow of money from our dear foreigners when HK have Disney, Japan have Disney and Universal Studio, Thailand have their history and culture, likewise for Laos, Burma, Cambodia and in particular China. Even Philippines has something else more than Singapore.
singapore can do much more in improving its attractiveness to tourists. for example, singapore can be the food and shopping capital of south east asia. improve our service standards and courtesy, from taxi drivers all the way to sales staff at SLS, and tourists will come back for more. i know many people who travel to hong kong regularly to shop and eat, not to visit ocean park or gamble.

"Singapore, is it a part of China?" is the biggest joke I have heard for Singapore, an insult to my heart.
"singapore needs a casino badly" is a bigger joke that i have heard, and insults my heart and my reason.
 

wiki

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denniskee said:
I voted yes for reasons below :

1) Our citizens are frequently going to the cruse & genting to gamble anyway, & how much do they spend per trip?

2) In a week, how many times & how much they spend on 4D, TOTO, Scratch, Horse Racing, Soccer betting?

3) Look @ the situation here, manufacturing are moving out, ie less jobs, worse have to compete with foriegn talents for the jobs, so Casino island can create alot more jobs, together with the hotels and amusement park.

4) Singapore is so small, most of our tourist attraction are more of a 1 time visit is enough. Having Casino helps.

5) If one can control how frequent & how much to spend on gabling as of now (1) & (2), they should be able to control their spending when visiting the Casino.
I think this is a rather flimsy logic though use in many cases to justify the building of the casino. The fact is that gambling can be a form of addicition and the ill effects are something that can be quite intangible and hard to manage once it goes out of hand. If the above reason are how we justify the building of casino, i think we can use the same reason to justify having a bigger red light district, or how about legalise designer drugs? Ultimately i think the reason they will go ahead with the casino is all about $$$, if they are more capable with other means of making $$$, casion won't be considered at all. Just my thoughts.
 

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wiki said:
I think this is a rather flimsy logic though use in many cases to justify the building of the casino. The fact is that gambling can be a form of addicition and the ill effects are something that can be quite intangible and hard to manage once it goes out of hand. If the above reason are how we justify the building of casino, i think we can use the same reason to justify having a bigger red light district, or how about legalise designer drugs? Ultimately i think the reason they will go ahead with the casino is all about $$$, if they are more capable with other means of making $$$, casion won't be considered at all. Just my thoughts.
Why not, if the business is lucrative enough, events like orchard sex parade is possible. Well, Singaporeans are very forgetful people, after sometime they will forget about it and start voting for the government again.
 

wiki

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Why not, if the business is lucrative enough, events like orchard sex parade is possible. Well, Singaporeans are very forgetful people, after sometime they will forget about it and start voting for the government again.
Precisely! This is the problem that i find disturbing. They tends to look only at the money factor rather than the social ills. Those who agree to it in this forum also just look at it from the economy gains. If that is the case, i think we might as well become a sex city and a major exporter in drugs. maybe we can even get a home license to grow poppy flowers?? :)
 

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