Canon EOS R6


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Not even listed on Canon SG website. With R5 (body) at SGD 6,100 I would guess that R6 should come in at the 4k mark, RRP.
For street prices, maybe shave off about $300 or so.
 

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I think the R6 will be a hot seller. May revive my BBB virus :p

 

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B&H price is US$2,500. That is about SGD$3,480. If can wait two years, price may drop below $3K.
In 2 years competing brands will introduce their cameras to challenge R6. Causing price to drop.
But GST in Sing may be higher then.
This photo from a review by DP Review shows that the camera body is Made in Japan.
(Important to know for anyone paying > $3K for a camera)


The latest news is that Canon is moving production back to Japan, perhaps for higher priced models.


But when I inspected the video by Gordon Laing (shown above), the R6 that he tested had a sticker "SAMPLE" covering part of the information.
We could not see if it was stated "Made in Japan."
I took a screen shot off the video.

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I looked at the various reviews and photos online of the Canon R6.
Almost all of them do NOT want to show the bottom plate. It could be simply a coincidence.
And NONE of the reviewers whether in print form or in video ever mention whether the camera body is made in Japan.
Will monitor this to see if can come up with a definite yes or no.
I am surprised, though that so many seasoned reviewers failed to mention this important aspect.
 

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Its been a long time since any of Canon's offering made me excited enough to make a crack in my wallet.
Hopefully there will be news soon on the pricing!
 

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Read that it is using the 1DX3 sensor. Hope the AF is good too ~!
 

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Finally a challenge to Sony'sA7R series which i switched to when i sold my 5dmkIII.
 

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2 days ago on 20 July 2020, according to several websites and at least one Youtube camera reviewer, Canon has stopped developing its 5D line of DSLR.



The last commercial model of 5D line of DSLR was Mk 4.
It does make sense if the trend is towards mirrorless and to reduce the number of production lines for so many different models.

Maybe Canon will drop the 90D line (based on EF-S mount) to create a new APS-C based mirrorless body with RF mount.
If so, then it may affect Canon M6 Mkii series which is APS-C based and using EF-M mount. Will Canon drop that too?
Last introduced in 2019 Canon M6 Mk II is beginning to look a bit lacking in specifications in July 2020 - when compared to what Fuji and Sony can offer.

Future decisions by Canon whether to keep or drop these other model lines will depend on the failure or success of the R5 & R6.
 

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Well, if Canon wants to make the real cut, them the M series will be phased out soon as well. It was Canon's playground and test bed for the mirror-less technology, on a low cost level using existing sensors. Since M mount can take EF mount lenses with adapter (and assuming the EF lens line will be kept alive for a longer period), this would form the new Canon ecosystem.
A lens mount for RF to M body looks unlikely: 2mm thickness and 8mm diameter difference is hard to bridge, although not impossible.
 

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Canon currently has 4 mounts. EF, EF-S, EF-M, RF. Many ILC models in production, not counting the compacts that cannot change lens.
Canon's worry is if a model is selling very well and consumers like it, does Canon want to stop its production?
 

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Well, if Canon wants to make the real cut, them the M series will be phased out soon as well. It was Canon's playground and test bed for the mirror-less technology, on a low cost level using existing sensors. Since M mount can take EF mount lenses with adapter (and assuming the EF lens line will be kept alive for a longer period), this would form the new Canon ecosystem.
A lens mount for RF to M body looks unlikely: 2mm thickness and 8mm diameter difference is hard to bridge, although not impossible.
Think the M is developed for consumer / enthusiast and for the EF-S crowd to jump over. The RF is more for the enthusiast / prosumer / pros and for the EF crowd to switch....
But I agree with you that if the demand for the M drop, the M series may be dropped. The demand is still in the cropped crowd (FujiFilm X series)
 

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Canon currently has 4 mounts. EF, EF-S, EF-M, RF. Many ILC models in production, not counting the compacts that cannot change lens.
Canon's worry is if a model is selling very well and consumers like it, does Canon want to stop its production?
Agree. The sales is still in the EF-S and EF-M crowd. Maybe the next development is in the " RF-S or RF-M " lens ...
 

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For those interested, Canon has started taking pre-orders for the R6 since 30 July:

$3999 for body only
$4648 for the 24-105 f/4-7.1 kit
$5698 for the 24-105 f/4 kit

Promotion includes the EF-EOS R mount adaptor (looks like the base model with no control ring) and 64GB SDXC card (Sandisk Extreme Pro). Pre-order ends 25 Aug and delivery will start on 27 Aug.

Retail shops are apparently taking pre-orders.
 

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Finally! Picked up my R6 two days back.

Initial thoughts: it's not much lighter than my 5D3 with the 24-105 f/4 lens attached, but it is slightly smaller in volume. Build quality is fantastic (better be for what I paid for) and the controls are pretty much in the right place. Nice to have extra control dials...now trying to configure them to my usage habits.

Anybody else picked it up already?
 

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I picked it up as well. Its been solid but the lack of 9 zone AF and mini electronic level in the viewfinder (like the 5D4) is extremely disappointing
 

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I picked it up as well. Its been solid but the lack of 9 zone AF and mini electronic level in the viewfinder (like the 5D4) is extremely disappointing
Electronic level can be activated using the INFO button by cycling through the various display modes.

9 zone AF has been replaced with a more flexible "Zone AF". It's one of the many AF modes. Activate it by pressing the AF button (the one that is beside the AE lock with a symbol like a crossword puzzle :rolleyes:). I was figuring how to use the joystick (aka 'multi-directional controller") to select the AF zones/points. Turns out that it has to be enabled under Menu/C. Fn3 tab/Customise buttons page...and then scroll down the page some more...
 

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Yes I know. The electronic level either fill up the viewfinder or nothing. An mini always-on electronic level like the 5D4 would be great. And zone af is crap compared to 9 zone. It totally defeats the purpose of a zone in the first place.
 

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It’s a shame that the camera haven’t exactly met your needs. Most importantly is that you enjoy taking photos with the camera. Cheers!
 

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After using it for some time, I think I'm starting to get a hang of this body. I put it through a variety of stuff...

Like the butterfly under my house when I was bringing my toddler to the playground (to test AF on small "animals"):



The yellow vented bulbul when I was bringing my newborn for a stroll under my house (to test AF for birds and small birds):



Some random sunset out of my window (to check the dynamic range):



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Perspective of someone coming from 5D Mark IV and 7D Mark II:

Pros
- First off, the AF is amazing. It worked as advertise; only if the subject is occupying a reasonable amount of the frame. I was surprised it managed to get the eye of the butterfly; though only for a second. I was following some mynas (because well, I got a newborn with me) and the tracking works all the time; all the frames were in focus. The yellow vented bulbul was quite small, occupying only about 10% to 15% of the frame and it struggled real bad to even detect the bird at all, much less the eye. If the subject is huge like my toddler running around, it tracks fantastic. All the frames that I expect to be in focus, are in focus.
- Having the ability to instant override to the Auto ISO value when using Aperture priority mode by using the thumb dial closest to the mode dial is a godsend.
- The ISO performance at 12,800 is superb, much better than my 5D4.
- The dynamic range is insane, definitely better; shadow recovery looks awesome.
- CRAW is the future.
- You can sync the camera time to the time on your smartphone, which is awesome. This will help resolve alot of time issues when I'm reviewing images after shooting an event with 2 cameras.
- I can finally look into the sun without blinding my eyes, thanks to the electronic viewfinder.

Cons
- I don't like that there isn't a hard stop to the mode dial. I switch between C1, C2 and C3 all the time and a hard stop will had help alot to determine where I am without looking at the mode dial.
- Exposure bracketing does not work with electronic shutter. You have to go full/partly mechanical, so that's a waste of 20fps. I don't understand why it shouldn't work.
- The LCD screen always turns on after you are done looking through the viewfinder. So that's a waste of battery as well; I would much prefer it to stay off until required (i.e. by pressing a button to "wake" it) like a DSLR.
- There is also no option to set the fps of mechanical and electronic shutter speed. So if you are using it for birding/wildlife, chances are you will fire much, much more shutters than necessary.
- The lack of a mini always-enabled electronic viewfinder does hurts. It slowed me down a little when shooting anything architecture related where the lines are important.
- No auto LCD brightness, although this is already known before I purchase this camera. It's not that big of a deal though, because you can customise a button to instantly and temporary toggle LCD brightness to the max during review.

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I haven't put it through an event because no one is holding any big company event at this stage; but I expect to struggle alot without a 9 zone AF.. All in all, this is definitely worth the purchase looking at the AF, dynamic range and iso performance alone. This camera so far had been a revolution, not an evolution. The leap is like jumping from film to digital.

I will probably be bringing the camera to take photos of some flowers at GBTB next when I'm free (to test the 20fps). Not anytime soon though, as I'm really busy at work these days :(
 

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