"Being born into a poor family means you are finished" (at least in Japan)


UncleFai

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The following chart was shown on a NHK programme on 31 Jan 2015 and apparently caused quite a "hoo-haa"... it claims "If you are born in a poor family, you life is basically finished." And it gives the path of two hypothetical persons:



Mr A: born in a family that earns 10 million yen a year (US$85,000). He will attend the top school, which results in him getting a good job with average 6 million yen average salary, have a good family with grandchildren, enough savings and lives in a up-market retirement home.

Mr B: born in a family that earns 2 million yen a year (US$17,500). He has no chance at a university education, will be doing odd jobs with an average annual salary of 2.25 million, no chance at getting married, and will spend his final years alone and poor.

Apparently, lots of comments (in Japanese) supporting the claim. Luckily, not so here it seems...

https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Gossiping/M.1422690162.A.538.html
 

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Its actually true in most countries... not just in Japan or here in SG.

Those from rich families have a better chance in life from Education to Health... the difference is that as long as you are willing to learn and work, you can still more than survive in SG. Could still have chance to marry a foreign girl... and like almost everyone in SG... have very chance to really retire... LOL :bsmilie:
 

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Apparently, lots of comments (in Japanese) supporting the claim. Luckily, not so here it seems...
:bsmilie::bsmilie:

Dude, it is shown statistically Sg is even worse than Japan. :bsmilie::bsmilie:
 

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Countries where education and healthcare is free like Denmark, Sweden, Canada this will never happen...

Bypass surgery and university degree are all free... Taxes are high but this creates a more equal society where everyone has good chance in life...
 

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something like CNA 8pm " dont call us poor."
 

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I don't think it's hard to go to university in Sg if u r talking abt school fees, etc.
 

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The only way out is to work oversea :)

If the Japanese are willing to go oversea, their working experiences oversea will easily over shadow those people with better degree.
 

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Look closely, character A as depicted dun appear happier than B throughout his life, despite being born in a wealthy family...
10 million yen a year annual income is not "wealthy". The 2014 average Japanese individual income is 5.3 million yen (http://nbakki.hatenablog.com/entry/2014/07/17/184742). An average household income of 10 million a year is very good but not "wealthy".
 

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Look closely, character A as depicted dun appear happier than B throughout his life, despite being born in a wealthy family...
Would you rather be rich and unhappy or poor and unhappy ? I wound choose the first anytime every time :)
 

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Apparently, lots of comments (in Japanese) supporting the claim. Luckily, not so here it seems...
The reverse is true in Singapore.

Those from the poor families still have the opportunities to rise up to the top here.

However let's also look at Hong Kong the present Chief Minister's father was a policeman, at Australia the ex-Prime Minister Kevin Rudd who was brought up by his mother and one time his family was evicted from their home and an Australian ex-foreign minister and later Governor General Bill Hayden whose family was so poor that he had to walk barefooted along miles of railway tracks to go to school when he was young.

All these are inspiring stories. And one day we'll have our own Singapore Stories.
 

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while it is true you will have a hard time climbing up the social ladder if you are born in the wrong family. Some did make it via other means and some did drop off even if they are born to rich family.

Consolation to those not born to the rich, you can have a richer life if you are not chasing to be rich.
 

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I heard if you have no "Family History" you will not get into the Medical or Law faculty in Local University. Family History does come with a price.
 

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The reverse is true in Singapore.

Those from the poor families still have the opportunities to rise up to the top here.

However let's also look at Hong Kong the present Chief Minister's father was a policeman, at Australia the ex-Prime Minister Kevin Rudd who was brought up by his mother and one time his family was evicted from their home and an Australian ex-foreign minister and later Governor General Bill Hayden whose family was so poor that he had to walk barefooted along miles of railway tracks to go to school when he was young.

All these are inspiring stories. And one day we'll have our own Singapore Stories.
There will always be stories of some poor dude who made it in life. Society needs these stories to keep the poor masses living happily in myths of opportunities.

There will also always be a rich dude born rich who got richer, then concocts a sob story about how he was born poor and how he made it through his own efforts.

End on the day, a few anecdoctal stories cannot refute facts backed by broad statistics.

In sg more than half of PSC scholarship holders live in private housing, despite the fact 80% of the popuation live in HDB.
 

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Poseidon88

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I heard if you have no "Family History" you will not get into the Medical or Law faculty in Local University. Family History does come with a price.
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I can not believe it - it shocks me.
Why do people put up whit something like this??
We live in 2015

That is targeted and conscious discrimination etc....!!
 

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donut88

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The following chart was shown on a NHK programme on 31 Jan 2015 and apparently caused quite a "hoo-haa"... it claims "If you are born in a poor family, you life is basically finished." And it gives the path of two hypothetical persons:

Mr A: born in a family that earns 10 million yen a year (US$85,000). He will attend the top school, which results in him getting a good job with average 6 million yen average salary, have a good family with grandchildren, enough savings and lives in a up-market retirement home.

Mr B: born in a family that earns 2 million yen a year (US$17,500). He has no chance at a university education, will be doing odd jobs with an average annual salary of 2.25 million, no chance at getting married, and will spend his final years alone and poor.

Apparently, lots of comments (in Japanese) supporting the claim. Luckily, not so here it seems...

https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Gossiping/M.1422690162.A.538.html
This is nothing compared to India.

If u are born in the low caste of India, u are literally finished. At least in other countries including Japan, poor family man can get to choose what job available. In India, your chaste determines what job u can do.
 

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I can not believe it - it shocks me.
Why do people put up whit something like this??
We live in 2015

That is targeted and conscious discrimination etc....!!
It's not discrimination.

It's the stratification of our social classes which is required for the social order of this nation.

Your family history is stored in the data bank and a constant reference to how far you can go or you cannot go.

It doesn't matter whether you live in 2015 or 1805. No one can break out from the heaven decree which family you are born in.

:)
 

Poseidon88

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It's not discrimination.

It's the stratification of our social classes which is required for the social order of this nation.

Your family history is stored in the data bank and a constant reference to how far you can go or you cannot go.

It doesn't matter whether you live in 2015 or 1805. No one can break out from the heaven decree which family you are born in.

:)
Just for your information. .....in the YEAR 2015 !!!:)

In Germany, the study is free at the university. (no tuition fees) Each student whether rich or poor can study what he wants.
And if the parents of students have little money the student will get 670,00 euros (appr. 1050,00 S$) per month from the state.
(BAföG))
In Germany is no limit to how far you can go - or you cannot go.
An ascent is therefore always and at any time possible.
 

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