Assault, brawl or self defense?


Jan 26, 2002
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Wanna ask those in the know, or perhaps in spf..

If say a drunk guy for no apparent reason starts swinging at me, and I return a few punches in return, resulting both bruised and police came..

Is it true I cannot charge him with assault and police will treat it as a brawl and both of us is equally guilty?

If I actually hurt him then I likely be charged with assault instead?

And that I should have instead Only try to push him away and try to run, in which case I still have the right to charge him with assault?

Just wana know.:) thx
 

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allenleonhart

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Wanna ask those in the know, or perhaps in spf..

If say a drunk guy for no apparent reason starts swinging at me, and I return a few punches in return, resulting both bruised and police came..

Is it true I cannot charge him with assault and police will treat it as a brawl and both of us is equally guilty?

And that I should have instead Only try to push him away and try to run, in which case I still have the right to charge him with assault?

Just wana know.:) thx
if you charge him, how you plan to prove is he started the fight and you retaliate in self-defense?
 

Shizuma

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ever thought of running if such an opportunity presents itself ?
 

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>before running away, must take down particular of witness. they will help you in many ways.. especially waiter or bouncer or security guard

erm tis is funny lol..
Some guy throwing punches, I must be running in circles so that I may take down particulars of witnesses..:)
 

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ever thought of running if such an opportunity presents itself ?
No, natural instinct will be to hit back or make tht person disengage.. thts why wanna consider what level or kind of response is most 'appropriate' under our law..
 

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Bukitimah

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I am no lawyer nor from the SPF. There are so much talk about 'fights' involving persons known to each other and the public cannot do anything. Even the SPF cannot intervene since this is considered a private affair. So much so that spouse are being bullied and Singaporean are not reacting.

I find this amusing. Where on earth is there such a law? Maybe someone who knows can share here. A guy on a morning radio talk related that when he intervene a couple where the man is restraining the girl, that lady actually told him off to mind his own affair! He just back off and decides not to k-po next time. Isn't that sad? The radio station 93.8 didn't seek clarifications with the police and let it be!

I have always k-po and have stopped many 'fights'. Some even among teenaged girls. The fact that the fights or commotions took place in public areas, it itself is creating a 'Public Order and Nuisance Act'. The police definitely has the power to advise offenders and act on it.

I had a similar situation as the caller but they were in a corner of the shopping mall. Somehow that lady is afraid to 'loose' a boyfriend and both reacted aggressive when I stopped them. I told them I would have to call in the mall security as this is a private property. They can fight back home within their own bedroom if they wish. They decided to back off

We should not allow such bullies to continue and think they can do what they wish. One day, that guy being bullied maybe you or someone close to you. Don't you wish someone will step forward and help?
 

kei1309

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I am no lawyer nor from the SPF. There are so much talk about 'fights' involving persons known to each other and the public cannot do anything. Even the SPF cannot intervene since this is considered a private affair. So much so that spouse are being bullied and Singaporean are not reacting.

I find this amusing. Where on earth is there such a law? Maybe someone who knows can share here. A guy on a morning radio talk related that when he intervene a couple where the man is restraining the girl, that lady actually told him off to mind his own affair! He just back off and decides not to k-po next time. Isn't that sad? The radio station 93.8 didn't seek clarifications with the police and let it be!

I have always k-po and have stopped many 'fights'. Some even among teenaged girls. The fact that the fights or commotions took place in public areas, it itself is creating a 'Public Order and Nuisance Act'. The police definitely has the power to advise offenders and act on it.

I had a similar situation as the caller but they were in a corner of the shopping mall. Somehow that lady is afraid to 'loose' a boyfriend and both reacted aggressive when I stopped them. I told them I would have to call in the mall security as this is a private property. They can fight back home within their own bedroom if they wish. They decided to back off

We should not allow such bullies to continue and think they can do what they wish. One day, that guy being bullied maybe you or someone close to you. Don't you wish someone will step forward and help?
Glorious Exposition, Comrade
 

donut88

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Wanna ask those in the know, or perhaps in spf..

If say a drunk guy for no apparent reason starts swinging at me, and I return a few punches in return, resulting both bruised and police came..

Is it true I cannot charge him with assault and police will treat it as a brawl and both of us is equally guilty?

If I actually hurt him then I likely be charged with assault instead?

And that I should have instead Only try to push him away and try to run, in which case I still have the right to charge him with assault?

Just wana know.:) thx
Just push away and run la.

A drunkard can't run straight.....
 

yqt

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Just tell him, come lar, we drink, being a drunk he sure to sit down for the drink, than order a few beer and find an excuse to go to the toilet and run away ........... without paying for the beer :bsmilie:
 

JasonB

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Wanna ask those in the know, or perhaps in spf..

If say a drunk guy for no apparent reason starts swinging at me, and I return a few punches in return, resulting both bruised and police came..

Is it true I cannot charge him with assault and police will treat it as a brawl and both of us is equally guilty?

If I actually hurt him then I likely be charged with assault instead?

And that I should have instead Only try to push him away and try to run, in which case I still have the right to charge him with assault?

Just wana know.:) thx
Surely got reason. Maybe you did something that pissed him off.

Anyway, you cannot charge a person. That is the police's job. You can file a complaint with the authorities and seek redress.

If you hit back, the Police will see it as affray, and will investigate both of you for that offense. If you are charged for that offense you have the burden of proofing that your actions are in self defense. Which is very hard because there are so many ways of peacefully dissolve the situation, such as seeking the bouncer's help, calling police, temporary leaving the place to avoid a bad situation. But if you choose to return a punch, or in your case, a few punches, then even I also see it as brawling.

Whether you actually hurt him or not, it is still an offense.

If you push him away and run, it sounds like an acceptable discourse. But if the cops thinks that your 'push' is a 'push' to assault, then could still be brawling. They decide by viewing camera recordings, and statements from witnesses.

Again, you cannot charge people. You don't have such powers. You can file a complaint, and you can sue for damages. Whether or not you success is another matter. Whether or not in the course of investigation they decided you also commit offences and wishes to prosecute you, is another matter.

All in all, best not to get into a situation.

Good luck for your case.
 

JasonB

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Pardon the spelling and typos.
 

Foxshade

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However, you do have the right to defend yourself.

Nothing done in private defence is an offence
96. Nothing is an offence which is done in the exercise of the right of private defence.
 

Windballad

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run zig zag.. I'm pretty sure the drunk guy can't catch u that way.. haha
 

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