any recommendation substitute for 18-200mm lens?


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nagase4

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hi guys, i'm a new DSLR user. using a D50 with the kit lenses.
the problem is the kit lenses's range is not far enuff and i'm really interested in the 18-200mm but its too expensive.
anyone got any recommendation for cheaper lenses?
 

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buying more equipment will sometime create its own problems, so care to share what subject u shoot most of the time?
 

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hi guys, i'm a new DSLR user. using a D50 with the kit lenses.
the problem is the kit lenses's range is not far enuff and i'm really interested in the 18-200mm but its too expensive.
anyone got any recommendation for cheaper lenses?
if really money is a problem, and since u mentioned u already have the D50 kit lens which is the 18-55, u could go and get the 55-200... this 2 lens will give u 18-200.

of course this is a 2 lens combi and not an all in one solution, but this is the best for low budget.
 

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does the Nikon 18-235mm (D80 kit lenses) considered as a flexible lenses?
jus does not cover as wide a range as 18-200?
is VR really tat important?
 

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does the Nikon 18-235mm (D80 kit lenses) considered as a flexible lenses?
jus does not cover as wide a range as 18-200?
is VR really tat important?
ok.....ur answer to these 2 questions will let us know wat lens to recommend to u...

1) u mentioned that the kit lens 18-55 is too short for u, but what do u want to shoot?

2) VR definitely works, and is without a doubt definitely useful, but if money is a constraint, then bo bian rite? of course technology only helps to a certain extent. With VR, i can handheld at up to abt 1/30 seconds at 200mm. But dun ever ever think that VR is a substitute for tripod. IF u want to shoot night scenes, which needs to shoot at 2 seconds, 10 seconds or 10 minutes, u definitely need a tripod.

Think of it this way: Just take a laser pointer and point it on the wall, are u able to keep the laser still at a fixed point without moving? For me, VR helps by keeping the laser still at a fixed point for 1/30 seconds.
 

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ok.....ur answer to these 2 questions will let us know wat lens to recommend to u...

1) u mentioned that the kit lens 18-55 is too short for u, but what do u want to shoot?

2) VR definitely works, and is without a doubt definitely useful, but if money is a constraint, then bo bian rite? of course technology only helps to a certain extent. With VR, i can handheld at up to abt 1/30 seconds at 200mm. But dun ever ever think that VR is a substitute for tripod. IF u want to shoot night scenes, which needs to shoot at 2 seconds, 10 seconds or 10 minutes, u definitely need a tripod.

Think of it this way: Just take a laser pointer and point it on the wall, are u able to keep the laser still at a fixed point without moving? For me, VR helps by keeping the laser still at a fixed point for 1/30 seconds.
Good evening Kcuf2
tks for replying to my queries.
thing is i'm still new to the photography world and thus i've still not establish wat i really wanna shoot. currently i just going around and shoot, hoping to learn all the basics of photography...
 

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since you are jus starting out, i'd advise against buying any more lens, at least for the time being.

the kit lens is a "standard zoom", and covers most of the general shooting applications.

tele are invaluable in some situations, but requires more careful handling to keep it stable.

but for day-to-day shoot, the kit lens, at approx 18-55 is much more versatile.

happy shooting.

hope to see some of your photos soon!!
 

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Good evening Kcuf2
tks for replying to my queries.
thing is i'm still new to the photography world and thus i've still not establish wat i really wanna shoot. currently i just going around and shoot, hoping to learn all the basics of photography...
ok.... i guess the bess for you in the meantime is to go out and shoot more.. from there perhaps u will eventually find out wat u really love shooting about.

Wat u love/want to shoot will greatly influence what lens/flash/support like tripod that u will want to buy.

1) If u love to shoot human portraits, ur kit lens image quality is pretty good, and ur lens has no problem shooting portraits. However if u wan to get images which shows just the human and the background totally blur out, u will need lenses with big apetures such as 50mm f1.8, 85mm f1.8. BIG apetures allow u focus on the human face/body and blur out the background.

2) If u love to shoot landscape, scenery, ur kit lens again will do the job pretty well. The focal length of 18-55 covers wide to medium situations. Of course there are more expensive lenses around such as the 17-35 f2.8, 14-28 f2.8. http://www.nikon.com.sg/products.php?categoryid=22 These lenses differ in that they have bigger apeture at f2.8 compared to ur kit lens of f3.5-f5.6. Bigger apeture lens helps when shooting at night. Big hole = more light can come in = can shoot at a faster speed = minimize handshake blur

3) If u love to shoot sports, events such as SHE, jolin tsai coming to singapore, concerts, U will need telephoto lenses in the range of 80-200mm, 70-200mm, 55-200mm. At these events, most probably u will be standing abt 30 - 50 metres from the celebrity, and a zoom range of 55-200 or 70-200 allows u to shoot the celebrity from waist level or zoom in further for a head shot. u will also wanna get a flash (range from $200-$700) to shoot for those sparkles in eye effects. http://www.nikon.com.sg/products.php?categoryid=22 <-- look at the lenses in the 55-200mm, 80-200mm and 70-200mm range

4) If u love to shoot birds, wildlife or things that are far far away, u will need to get lenses that are minimum 300mm. However when u step into this zone of lenses > 300mm, they are dam freaking expensive. there are cheaper variety around such as this http://www.nikon.com.sg/productitem.php?pid=90-e00cd4c502 which cost around $250 in shops, the image quality is poor. In fact the image quality is poorer than ur D50 kit lens. the average performer lenses in these >300mm range cost easily $2k upwards. the elite performing ones are the $10k variants. http://www.nikon.com.sg/products.php?categoryid=26 <--- look at the lenses above 300mm

EVEN when u buy the big big lens to shoot, u will also need to think about buying super sturdy tripod to support ur $10k heavy lens (the lens could easily be 3-5kg, ur D50 + kit lens is less than 1kg), these big tripod and again not cheap costing abt $2k-3k for the tripod leg and ball head.

5) If u love to shoot those tiny weeny insects, flower petals, butterflies, u will need macro lenses http://www.nikon.com.sg/products.php?categoryid=27 The more expensive macro lenses are those that are longer focal length example 105mm and 200mm. The longer focal length are important for shooting insects and butterflies because u can shoot at a further distance away without scaring them away. for 60mm, u are about 20cm away from the insect, which is very close (take a ruler and picture how close it is)

And for macro shoot, it is advisable to use dedicated macro flash, http://www.nikon.com.sg/productitem.php?pid=828-3330fccebf <--- on the right hand side, click on useful information for the price of Close-up Speedlight Commander Kit R1C1 :SGD$1377.55 yea

so u see wat u love to shoot will require u to have different equipment and setup to ensure u get that perfect shot out.... so wat u love? ;p
 

nagase4

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i guess at this point of time, its a combination of both human potraits and landscape scenery.
 

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big, beautiful chunks of glass, ultra hi tech flash systems all comes at a price.

but wats priceless?

its the anticipation, joy, and all the stupid mistakes that we make when physically out in the field (or in the studio for some ppl).
 

nagase4

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i'm thinking of getting the D80 kit lenses 18-135mm to replace my current kit lenses 18-55mm
but is it a good idea?
need some advise...
oh and tks everyone for ur kind replies
=)
 

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i'm thinking of getting the D80 kit lenses 18-135mm to replace my current kit lenses 18-55mm
but is it a good idea?
need some advise...
oh and tks everyone for ur kind replies
=)
You're better off not to get a long zoom. 5 times (like an 18-90mm) would be the maximum I would go and it would still be expensive to get the right one. Anything longer than 5 times and you'll get degraded image quality, which may or may not be useful to you.

Buy a lens that starts around 50mm minimum, if you want a telephoto zoom. You'll save money and you'll get better image quality. It's not as convenient, but you should learn how to use your lenses.
 

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i guess at this point of time, its a combination of both human potraits and landscape scenery.
Actually, there is such a thing called physical zoom.....by using your legs to move forward and back...:bsmilie:

Before I got the 18-200mmVR, I mostly just use the 18-55mm, and I take travel, my children and landscape.

If you really like the 18-200, then save up and get it. No point getting any other kit lenses. I love my 18-200mm VR. Its mostly on my camera. Worth the wait.
 

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I had a Zuiko 18-180 lens and have been using it most of the time. Especially when you are traveling, it comes handy. I used to have the kit lens, 14-42 and 40-150 which can cover 14-150 basically, but i find it troublesome to change in a middle of a shoot. The one 18-180mm is able to give me what I need to shoot most of the time.

Of course...when you are traveling, you can bring a 18-180 lens, wide angle lens and macro lens to cover most of the subjects you want..
 

nagase4

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i think i would prefer 18-200mm rather than 16-85...
hehe
 

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alternatively, a 28-200 though it misses the wide angle , or a 70-300/70-200mm lens :)

nagase4.. you've caught the "BBB" virus! haha ! i was in your shoe too, d50 and kit lens. took me a long time before getting other lens.

try the buy and sell forum, look out for those lenses , 70-300 aint so bad
 

nagase4

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haha...'BBB" is 'buy buy buy' huh?
lol...i think i'll probably save up for the 18-200mm lenses...
hehe
 

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haha...'BBB" is 'buy buy buy' huh?
lol...i think i'll probably save up for the 18-200mm lenses...
hehe
Standing aside and saving up is actually a good plan as well :thumbsup:

Ryan
 

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