16-35mm f/4G ED VR or 14-24mm f/2.8G ED


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Hi guys,

I'm going to upgrade to D600, have been using d90 with tokina 11-16mm. would like to know which lens would be a better wide angle for city-scape shoot, 16-35mm f/4G ED VR or 14-24mm f/2.8G ED.

additionally would like to know Does 14mm give too much distortion? and if the VR in 16-35mm useful
 

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Hi guys,

I'm going to upgrade to D600, have been using d90 with tokina 11-16mm. would like to know which lens would be a better wide angle for city-scape shoot, 16-35mm f/4G ED VR or 14-24mm f/2.8G ED.

additionally would like to know Does 14mm give too much distortion? and if the VR in 16-35mm useful

distortion of 14-24 at 14mm is not that much. 16-35 at 16mm has a little more distortion, but nothing you cannot fix easily in PP.

Yes, VR is very useful for 16-35 if you are using it to shoot dynamic scenes like tight spaces and events.
 

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16-35 f4 is the most ideal lens.

great for landscapes ---> Lee Big Stopper friendly and you can stack filters.

great for events ---> VR.

protective filter friendly ---> you can put on ur B+W on the front.


its a sharp lens and also, more affordable than the 14-24.
 

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16-35, cheaper and more choices when using filters... quite light too for travel photography ...
 

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I chose the 14-24mm over the 16-35mm because:

Reasons for the 14-24mm
1. I appreciate the extra 2mm. It makes quite a bit of difference and is still useful on DX.

2. The Lee filter system for the 14-24mm is cumbersome to use at the start, but once you figure it out, it isn't that bad.

3. I think it is ok to use the lens without a filter. I brought it out with me to the Red Sand Dunes and White Sand Dunes in Mui Ne, Vietnam. No sweat.


Reasons against the 16-35mm
1. I usually use it for landscape shots, so the VR is not useful for me. Neither are the f/2.8 or f/4 apertures.

2. I recognize that the 16-35mm can be a useful events lens, but I prefer to use a 17-35mm f/2.8 or similar over the f/4 and VR for both weight and bulk issues. (I prefer to use more compact gear when covering events, which is getting rarer anyway)

3. Some see the 16-35mm as the cheaper lens, preferring to pocket the difference. I see it the difference in price as a reasonable top up to the 14-24mm. So I guess it is a matter of framing and perspective.
 

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16-35 f4 is the most ideal lens.

great for landscapes ---> Lee Big Stopper friendly and you can stack filters.

great for events ---> VR.

protective filter friendly ---> you can put on ur B+W on the front.


its a sharp lens and also, more affordable than the 14-24.
Totally agree.... and more so if your a newbie avoid the 14-24, you gotta know how to get value for money from this lens.

16-35 will do you.
 

Dfive

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I chose the 14-24mm over the 16-35mm because:

Reasons for the 14-24mm
1. I appreciate the extra 2mm. It makes quite a bit of difference and is still useful on DX.

2. The Lee filter system for the 14-24mm is cumbersome to use at the start, but once you figure it out, it isn't that bad.

3. I think it is ok to use the lens without a filter. I brought it out with me to the Red Sand Dunes and White Sand Dunes in Mui Ne, Vietnam. No sweat.


Reasons against the 16-35mm
1. I usually use it for landscape shots, so the VR is not useful for me. Neither are the f/2.8 or f/4 apertures.

2. I recognize that the 16-35mm can be a useful events lens, but I prefer to use a 17-35mm f/2.8 or similar over the f/4 and VR for both weight and bulk issues. (I prefer to use more compact gear when covering events, which is getting rarer anyway)

3. Some see the 16-35mm as the cheaper lens, preferring to pocket the difference. I see it the difference in price as a reasonable top up to the 14-24mm. So I guess it is a matter of framing and perspective.
Great points here ! :)
 

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take note...


although the 14-24 allows one to use filters but...

in my view, it is missing out on the most important piece of filter for landscape, the Big Stopper.

as far as i know, there is no Big Stopper for the 14-24 and it makes a whole lot of a difference.
now for landscape lens, i won't ever consider any lens if it cannot use the Big Stopper.

unless Lee Filter somehow comes up with a Big Stopper for the 14-24, then I will upgrade to it. but now, let's jus say that if you take landscape photos and u're not using Big Stopper, you probably should consider spending $$ and getting one.

it makes a world of a difference but of course you do not need it to get great photographs but do consider the possibilities and what you can achieve if you have one.


the 16-35 with D800E(with Long Exposure Noise Reduction on) and the Big Stopper, excellent combo!


4 or 8mins exposure with the Big Stopper, i can't remember.
 

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Yes. I concur that there is no Lee Big Stopper available for the 14-24mm, and it can be a bummer. Really long exposure work requiring ultra wide angles is still restricted to my DX camera and lenses or FX if I manage to get hold of the 17-35mm f/2.8 that I mentioned earlier.
 

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Yes. I concur that there is no Lee Big Stopper available for the 14-24mm, and it can be a bummer. Really long exposure work requiring ultra wide angles is still restricted to my DX camera and lenses or FX if I manage to get hold of the 17-35mm f/2.8 that I mentioned earlier.
just a thought and for sharing purposes, u shouldn't consider the 17-35 at all.

its 1st generation AFS motor and my past experiences with it yielded 3 AFS motor breaking down in the span of 3 years. back then even as an NPS member, the repair fee came up to some S$900+-. eventually sold the lens when the 3rd AFS motor has the all-too-familiar squeaky sound, which is probably the first sign of trouble. solid performer but sadly, not one that can last the distance. your mileage might vary though.

probably it kaput due to my heavy usage back then but it is supposed to be made to handle the heavy usage, was it not?
u can google the AFS problem on the 17-35 and it seems that there have been a number of such cases.

took me a long while to spend $$ on another AFS lens(the 16-35) and thus far, the motor has not kaput, so too the VR, despite my heavy usage.

my POV, i'll never spend a single cent on the first generation AFS lenses. i'd rather buy AF-D lenses and only recently, sold the AF-D18-35 and upgraded to the 16-35.


the 14-24 is one fine lens but for me, the lack of Big Stopper stopped me on my track. Big Stopper can be very addictive for landscape photography.
 

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The Hitech filters are physically identical to any of the 150mm x 150mm filters from Lee. If there's light leakage using the Hitech filters, it would be the same with Lee filters. Further, the Lee kit comes with dedecated black cards which fit onto the back of the filter holder to prevent stray light from hitting the filters from the back and reflected onto the front element of the lens. These black cards are never shown in Lee's promotional material so many might not know they existed.
 

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The Hitech filters are physically identical to any of the 150mm x 150mm filters from Lee. If there's light leakage using the Hitech filters, it would be the same with Lee filters. Further, the Lee kit comes with dedecated black cards which fit onto the back of the filter holder to prevent stray light from hitting the filters from the back and reflected onto the front element of the lens. These black cards are never shown in Lee's promotional material so many might not know they existed.
the 16-35 has a flat front element and the Big Stopper can be easily slotted in, without additional space/gap for stray light leak. on top of that, the Big Stopper filter has some soft black cushion on the sides, thus eliminating unwanted stray light streaks/leaks during long exposure. this is very important.

the 14-24 has a bulging front element along with the inbuilt hood.

this will obstruct the filter from being attached close to the front element, thus allowing unwanted stray light during long exposure.



i think this is probably why Lee filter has not introduced Big Stopper for the 14-24, even till now.


maybe the photographer using it will have to construct a small black box and use it to act as a giant hood, eliminating stray light. only then maybe the 10stop Hitech filter will work?
 

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The existing 150mm x 150mm ND filters from Lee do not the cushion on the sides like the Big Stopper. I haven't experienced any light leaks with those. Like I mentioned before, 2 dedicated black cards are provided with the SW150 kit to block out stray light from the back. They don't show these black cards in their photos or videos, including the one you showed.
 

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The existing 150mm x 150mm ND filters from Lee do not the cushion on the sides like the Big Stopper. I haven't experienced any light leaks with those. Like I mentioned before, 2 dedicated black cards are provided with the SW150 kit to block out stray light from the back. They don't show these black cards in their photos or videos, including the one you showed.
thanks for sharing.

please show us a photo taken with the 10stop Hitech filter on the 14-24.

this might warrant an upgrade. :bsmilie:


if possible, show us the set-up too. thanks!
 

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Yeah, the one from Hitech Lucroit. I'm not aware of any local retailers for those here. You might have to buy it online.
 

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Yeah, the one from Hitech Lucroit. I'm not aware of any local retailers for those here. You might have to buy it online.
probably need to break a leg to get that, and on top of that, another 14-24...


think i'll just skip and be happy with my current set-up. :bsmilie:
 

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