Scanner Choices


ah.. i see.. and we need some equipment/software to find out the range?

Dmax its the maximum density a sensor can differentiate..actually what we are more interested in is the dynamic range of the sensor. Given pure white and pure black and with steps in between, how many different steps can the scanner sensor differentiate before it just lumps it as pure black or white..
So in this sense, there should be a Dmin value to determine the minimum density before it clips to white..
Problem is that manufactures don't publish this data..and even if they do..they add a lot of "salt" to the values..so this makes it hard to determine the actual capabilities of different scanners in the market and of the scanner itself..

Note: this is also applicable to dslr sensors..except it is not as crucial when compared to scanning..
 

Does anyone have anything to say about the 5600F in terms of performance and how it stacks up to the 8800F?
 

Does anyone have anything to say about the 5600F in terms of performance and how it stacks up to the 8800F?

They Usually outperform the price you paid for.

cannot expect $500.00 scanner to give $2,000 quality lah.
But I am also looking for one too.;)
 

zk-diq said:
They Usually outperform the price you paid for.

cannot expect $500.00 scanner to give $2,000 quality lah.
But I am also looking for one too.;)

Haha naturally you get what you pay for. However, I don't think I'd be all that particular about getting amazing results from my scans. I think a 5600F might be more than enough. This is a sample using my office's 5600F and the provided canon software. Set to black and white negative. No enhancement.

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Haha naturally you get what you pay for. However, I don't think I'd be all that particular about getting amazing results from my scans. I think a 5600F might be more than enough. This is a sample using my office's 5600F and the provided canon software. Set to black and white negative. No enhancement.

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Nice.. haha.. but now quite busy with work...Will try to figure this thing out when my break comes around...lols..

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This is the old data file I found, when plot out on graph paper, you will see how your scanner perform. It helps you to map your curve to the ideal value.

No post processing done on the file, is only re-program the luminance value / look up table or A/D convertion map, to improve tone reproduction.
:)
 

zk-diq said:
This is the old data file I found, when plot out on graph paper, you will see how your scanner perform. It helps you to map your curve to the ideal value.

No post processing done on the file, is only re-program the luminance value / look up table or A/D convertion map, to improve tone reproduction.
:)

hmm..in layman terms, creating an icc profile for the scanner la..haha..
 

Sorry. i am quite lame, can someone explain the last 2 post. my turn to ask questions... (i am using a v600 epson)
 

Sorry. i am quite lame, can someone explain the last 2 post. my turn to ask questions... (i am using a v600 epson)

Hmmm....

It is a basic requirement for enlarging/scanning or photography, digital or analog.

For photo enlarging, the same step wedge (Grey scale) were used to check/cal the Density range and exposure timing with different paper grade / brand / chemical etc.

For scanning, you need a reference to check/cal on your scanner. How deep shadow your scanner can see, seperation of highlight to 1/4 tone flat or overly compress? Is your negative problem or your scanner setting incorrect?

You may pull out more from quater tone, shadow to med tone, the result is different from using just software alone. :)
 

At this point in time, they are phasing out the 8800F in favour of the newer 9000F.

I bought the 9000F, and I do note that the resolution isn't altogether to my liking, despite the huge file I get when I scan at maximum resolution.

Sometimes I wonder if it is because of how flat my film is, but I am not sure if there are third party film holders that can work with the 9000F.
 

At this point in time, they are phasing out the 8800F in favour of the newer 9000F.

I bought the 9000F, and I do note that the resolution isn't altogether to my liking, despite the huge file I get when I scan at maximum resolution.

Sometimes I wonder if it is because of how flat my film is, but I am not sure if there are third party film holders that can work with the 9000F.

I cant answer that, however if correctly exposed and developed, then B grey scale range is what you should have. Max Density 1.65 min D 0.15. Can easily print on grade II paper
 

I cant answer that, however if correctly exposed and developed, then B grey scale range is what you should have. Max Density 1.65 min D 0.15. Can easily print on grade II paper

What size does that correspond to?
 

At this point in time, they are phasing out the 8800F in favour of the newer 9000F.

I bought the 9000F, and I do note that the resolution isn't altogether to my liking, despite the huge file I get when I scan at maximum resolution.

Sometimes I wonder if it is because of how flat my film is, but I am not sure if there are third party film holders that can work with the 9000F.

I believe you are referring to the optical resolution, meaning the scans look soft?? Chances are either the focusing height is off, the scanner is out of calibration or the scanner is only that capable.

Huge files do not equal to great quality. Take a 5 megapixel file and interpolate it to 15 megapixel and you automatically get a larger file. But does the raw resolution (in this sense, the amount of details you can get out of the image) increase? Not so..
 

I believe you are referring to the optical resolution, meaning the scans look soft?? Chances are either the focusing height is off, the scanner is out of calibration or the scanner is only that capable.

Huge files do not equal to great quality. Take a 5 megapixel file and interpolate it to 15 megapixel and you automatically get a larger file. But does the raw resolution (in this sense, the amount of details you can get out of the image) increase? Not so..

Yeah I have been pondering those issues a fair bit, but I can't think of ways of ratifying them, aside from sending the scanner back for calibration, or finding 3rd party film holders which can compensate for the focusing issue.

Or it might be I am expecting too much. I was just hoping for a bit more sharpness, detail, resolution etc. really...
 

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Yeah I have been pondering those issues a fair bit, but I can't think of ways of ratifying them, aside from sending the scanner back for calibration, or finding 3rd party film holders which can compensate for the focusing issue.

Or it might be I am expecting too much. I was just hoping for a bit more sharpness, detail, resolution etc. really...

You can try increasing the height of the holder by pasting layers of tape on the feet of the film holder.. However you can only increase the height but not decrease it..
 

I believe you are referring to the optical resolution, meaning the scans look soft?? Chances are either the focusing height is off, the scanner is out of calibration or the scanner is only that capable.

Huge files do not equal to great quality. Take a 5 megapixel file and interpolate it to 15 megapixel and you automatically get a larger file. But does the raw resolution (in this sense, the amount of details you can get out of the image) increase? Not so..

I like to shorten the explanation using the phrase uncle roger uses when he stare at me in the eye telling me the facts. If a macro lens cost 300+, what makes you think that the 300+ dollar flatbed scanner is able to scan out so high detailed resolution without that lens?;p
 

wootsk said:
I like to shorten the explanation using the phrase uncle roger uses when he stare at me in the eye telling me the facts. If a macro lens cost 300+, what makes you think that the 300+ dollar flatbed scanner is able to scan out so high detailed resolution without that lens?;p

Haha..like that say will break a lot of people's heart leh :p
 

Great resource thread fellas........


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Great resource thread fellas........


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The resource are easily available around in the net.
http://www.filmscanner.info/en/Dichte.html
http://www.scantips.com/basics14.html

The only problem is because:
1. The people knows the fact, but high end scanner aren't cheap.
2. People who doesn't knows about it, no one explain such stuff to them, so they are either lost due to marketing facts or think that they fully understand it.;)