EF 24-70L f2.8 with IS Rumour

[muvouser]

hello, please read english!

I said "No obvious blur". Means there is still blur but not as noticeable.

Event doesnt necessary means it must be fast action subject. An art exhibition is also an event.

Do we need to argue that the person shooting at 1/4s with and without IS at 50mm will yield different results?

Come on guys, what happen to your fundamentals?

Maybe you can show us an event picture with shutter speed of 1/4 with IS and people inside and the shot has no motion blur?
I'm sure many would like to see how magnificent IS is

 

[muvouser]

I posted an example. That person in that example could be a newbie, amateur or professional.

Cant people accept that that are lesser mortals with their shaky hands in this world? Must they expect everyone to train their shaky hands until they do not have to rely on IS???

Someone omce taught me the basics of photography. He didnt taught me composition, exposure and stuff like that, just the basics of handling a film slr independently (i'm not saying this to sound old but i'm really young actually).

After all these years i still remember that rule number one is to steady your hands. The lens i used back then was EF 35-80mm which i am still using now. It has no IS. I even have a lens which has no AF, are you going to hammer me on sharpness of image bcos i have no AF?

I cant claim to have no blur shots with steady hands. But i think we have gotten a little carried away. Super Telephoto range need IS i cant debate as i have no telephoto zoom lens and i don't use it. But i used lens in the range of 18mm up till 135mm to cover friend's events and sports events for mu personal interest and i can say the only blurs in the images are the fault of mine.

For i at times neglect the fundamental of taking photos imho, that is steady hands.

 

[nitewalk]

I posted an example. That person in that example could be a newbie, amateur or professional.

Cant people accept that that are lesser mortals with their shaky hands in this world? Must they expect everyone to train their shaky hands until they do not have to rely on IS???

Well okay okay if you wish.

 

[icelava]

Cant people accept that that are lesser mortals with their shaky hands in this world? Must they expect everyone to train their shaky hands until they do not have to rely on IS???

because real photographers use this. ;-)

 

[Anthony Lee]

You are going to shoot an event.

You only have 1 opportunity. You are not allowed to use flash.

Peter whipped out his camera and his new 24-70 f2.8 Mark 2 (with IS), zoomed in at 50mm, set his ISO at 400 and clicked with a shutter speed of 1/4 second. HIs picture came out nice and with no obvious blur.

You whipped out your beloved 24-70 f2.8 Mark 1, zoomed in at 50mm, set your ISO at 400 and clicked at the same shutter at 1/4 second. Your picture came out blur ... ...

I would have used my 50mmf1.4, shot wide open, ISO1600 and at 1/250 sec. Either your example was out of this world, or you do not know what you are doing.

 

[commonjunks]

I would have used my 50mmf1.4, shot wide open, ISO1600 and at 1/250 sec. Either your example was out of this world, or you do not know what you are doing.

Peter was using 60D and his camera was not capable enough to use high ISO like 1600 :sweatsm:.
Buy 5DM2 and you will be able to get picture at 3200 and BTW 24-70L pictures are very sharp, IS could be a plus but one can live without it.
Canon knows ppl will still buy 24-70L so they decided not to touch it for a while (or maybe for long while, who knows).

 

[muvouser]

seems to be talking to f**ls. this thread is toking about people who needs to use zoom lens 24-70 f2.8. Not 50mm.

I would have used my 50mmf1.4, shot wide open, ISO1600 and at 1/250 sec. Either your example was out of this world, or you do not know what you are doing.

 

[midicity]

hello, please read english!

I said "No obvious blur". Means there is still blur but not as noticeable.

Event doesnt necessary means it must be fast action subject. An art exhibition is also an event.

Do we need to argue that the person shooting at 1/4s with and without IS at 50mm will yield different results?

Come on guys, what happen to your fundamentals?

I think you must be a better photographer than Joe McNally or Annie Leibovitz or Scott Kelby. I've never seen them shoot at 1/4s unless they specifically want to capture motion by using slow shutter and flash.

I would like to see repeatable results of shooting at 1/4s with this "no obvious blur"

As far as I have read, most recommend 1/60s to stop human movement. 1/50,1/30, even 1/15, I've heard of , but inconsistent results at 1/15.

I would still like to see your photos of people looking at pictures in an art exhibition "without obvious blur". People are standing around, some still , some moving.
After all, art exhibition sure to have visitors looking at pictures right? Standing and viewing pictures also not fast action shots right?

 

[muvouser]

My gosh. Who said anything about shooting people???? Art exhibition canot shoot painting? Cannot shoot statues?

I think you must be a better photographer than Joe McNally or Annie Leibovitz or Scott Kelby. I've never seen them shoot at 1/4s unless they specifically want to capture motion by using slow shutter and flash.

I would like to see repeatable results of shooting at 1/4s with this "no obvious blur"

As far as I have read, most recommend 1/60s to stop human movement. 1/50,1/30, even 1/15, I've heard of , but inconsistent results at 1/15.

I would still like to see your photos of people looking at pictures in an art exhibition "without obvious blur". People are standing around, some still , some moving.
After all, art exhibition sure to have visitors looking at pictures right? Standing and viewing pictures also not fast action shots right?

 

[commonjunks]

seems to be talking to f**ls. this thread is toking about people who needs to use zoom lens 24-70 f2.8. Not 50mm.

Anthony was just quoting an example, being angry on someone will not solve your problem. At least canon will not release 24-70L (IS) if you show your anger ;p.

For your scenario i will suggest using 24-105L (i don't think bokeh will be a concern in your given situation right?).

 

[neech7]

Don't think Canon will make an IS version for the 24-70mm f2.8L since the IS is not really required for this range but more applicable for tele-zooms, which are more prone to handshake, and thus will not serve its purpose for WA Lenses.

Moreover, being an L-Lens, it is made more for Pros or Semi-Pro photographers and not so for amateurs so IS will not do much for this group of photographers as they are already adept to handling such lenses and will be less prone to handshake so no point adding unnecessary cost to such an already expensive lens.

I asked this before on CS, and I will ask again, if IS is not necessary in this range, then why did Canon put IS in the 17-55 and the 18-55? BTW the 24-70 is not strictly a WA.

And I am totally confused by your second paragraph. IS is only for a certain group of people? As for L lenses, all I have to say is, when I go for group shoots, I see lots of newbies with white lenses and red rings.

 

[nitewalk]

My gosh. Who said anything about shooting people???? Art exhibition canot shoot painting? Cannot shoot statues?

U think. Shoot statues and people wont move into your frame of capture? Based on my experience in shanhai expo and various experiences, nah. People are selfish.

Besides i think yoi are a very rude person. Just because u censor your word with two * does not help.

 

[nitewalk]

I asked this before on CS, and I will ask again, if IS is not necessary in this range, then why did Canon put IS in the 17-55 and the 18-55? BTW the 24-70 is not strictly a WA.

And I am totally confused by your second paragraph. IS is only for a certain group of people? As for L lenses, all I have to say is, when I go for group shoots, I see lots of newbies with white lenses and red rings.

May i know why is it "necessary"? Do you understand the meaning of "necessary"?

 

[PrimePhotog]

May i know why is it "necessary"? Do you understand the meaning of "necessary"?

It isn't necessary. All I can say is that the only thing necessary in photography is an eye and a camera.

As for the IS in the 24-70L, it probably wouldn't be very useful if shooting portraits and photojournalism since you often need at least 1/50s or so to counter the effects of a moving subject (depends on how quickly the subject is moving).

However, this is still extremely useful for shooting handheld landscapes and for tripod-less night photography. I personally would upgrade to the IS version if it comes out.
In case you live under a rock, Nikon recently released a 16-35 f4 VR lens which is definitely a groundbreaking lens with IS/VR in a UWA. This would be exceptionally useful for handheld landscape photography where you need a smaller aperture while retaining shake-free photos.

I hope all of you realise one thing (especially nitewalk and muvouser). The world of photography does not revolve around you. Your type of photography does not fully represent the ENTIRE community of photographers in the world. Canon is a multi-BILLION dollar company and will have definitely done arduous researching on the market before releasing such a lens. Unless you are Cartier Bresson or Ansel Adams, I don't see why they should listen to you, 2 out of hundreds of thousands of photographers.

PLEASE, have a little humility. Remind yourself that there are a whole lot of people who are better than you at photography before belittling others.

 

[Halfmoon]

May i know why is it "necessary"? Do you understand the meaning of "necessary"?

I think IS is good to have but not that essential for this range.....

But the 24-70mm IQ has been average... and I think Canon are trying to upgrade the II to out do the Nikon's........... hence, it is still in progress.........

 

[Anthony Lee]

seems to be talking to f**ls. this thread is toking about people who needs to use zoom lens 24-70 f2.8. Not 50mm.

I am smart enough to know that under the situation you described, a fast prime lens would be better. You mentioned 1/4s at 50mm. Handholding at a 24-70L, with or without IS, shooting at 1/4s at an event is suicidal.

 

[commonjunks]

I think IS is good to have but not that essential for this range.....

But the 24-70mm IQ has been average... and I think Canon are trying to upgrade the II to out do the Nikon's........... hence, it is still in progress.........

+1, but i am not sure what is average means? I
rented 35L once and found i was getting better result out of 24-70L than 35L. I almost got 70~80% keeper from 24-70L (i don't think anyone can claim that they are getting 100% keeper from their prime).

 

[nitewalk]

It isn't necessary. All I can say is that the only thing necessary in photography is an eye and a camera.

As for the IS in the 24-70L, it probably wouldn't be very useful if shooting portraits and photojournalism since you often need at least 1/50s or so to counter the effects of a moving subject (depends on how quickly the subject is moving).

However, this is still extremely useful for shooting handheld landscapes and for tripod-less night photography. I personally would upgrade to the IS version if it comes out.
In case you live under a rock, Nikon recently released a 16-35 f4 VR lens which is definitely a groundbreaking lens with IS/VR in a UWA. This would be exceptionally useful for handheld landscape photography where you need a smaller aperture while retaining shake-free photos.

I hope all of you realise one thing (especially nitewalk and muvouser). The world of photography does not revolve around you. Your type of photography does not fully represent the ENTIRE community of photographers in the world. Canon is a multi-BILLION dollar company and will have definitely done arduous researching on the market before releasing such a lens. Unless you are Cartier Bresson or Ansel Adams, I don't see why they should listen to you, 2 out of hundreds of thousands of photographers.

PLEASE, have a little humility. Remind yourself that there are a whole lot of people who are better than you at photography before belittling others.

Whats wrong with debating with him regarding a subjective issue? Debates are all about subjective issues. Why don't you tell debaters "unless you are Barack Obama if not why shd ppl listen to you"? Besides, i've always maintained that i am still learning and new. Its just my Opinion. You mean newbies can't have any opinions? If newbies cant have opinions and pre-concepts how do they learn? Human learn better by constructivist model, through formulating opinions and learning whether they are wrong, newbies and students learn better.

You don't sound humble much too.

 

[commonjunks]

I am smart enough to know that under the situation you described, a fast prime lens would be better. You mentioned 1/4s at 50mm. Handholding at a 24-70L, with or without IS, shooting at 1/4s at an event is suicidal.

Maybe his hand are very steady who knows? But using ** words on someone is totally unacceptable.

 

[nitewalk]

It isn't necessary. All I can say is that the only thing necessary in photography is an eye and a camera.

As for the IS in the 24-70L, it probably wouldn't be very useful if shooting portraits and photojournalism since you often need at least 1/50s or so to counter the effects of a moving subject (depends on how quickly the subject is moving).

However, this is still extremely useful for shooting handheld landscapes and for tripod-less night photography. I personally would upgrade to the IS version if it comes out.
In case you live under a rock, Nikon recently released a 16-35 f4 VR lens which is definitely a groundbreaking lens with IS/VR in a UWA. This would be exceptionally useful for handheld landscape photography where you need a smaller aperture while retaining shake-free photos.

I hope all of you realise one thing (especially nitewalk and muvouser). The world of photography does not revolve around you. Your type of photography does not fully represent the ENTIRE community of photographers in the world. Canon is a multi-BILLION dollar company and will have definitely done arduous researching on the market before releasing such a lens. Unless you are Cartier Bresson or Ansel Adams, I don't see why they should listen to you, 2 out of hundreds of thousands of photographers.

PLEASE, have a little humility. Remind yourself that there are a whole lot of people who are better than you at photography before belittling others.

At least I am open in accepting that IS is useful and i use it occasionally. Did i stop people or tell people not to use it? If not i feel a little injustice of being accused of lack of humility when i did not tell anyone to not use IS.