AWC - Assistant with camera

[dradttg]

I guess everyone has heard of GWC, now i would like to add a new term, AWC, Assistant With Camera.

I went for a shoot last Sat and @160 for 2 hours, I am sure you all would understand how precious the face time with the models are.

First of all, the ratio of the shoot was 3:1. So I do not know why 3 * 2 models = 7. That's the first *scratch head *. Then there was another guy (number 8) whom the organizer claimed was an assistant. I again * scratch head * because instead of helping to move sofa or hold reflector, the assistant was shooting the model IN the same position as the photographers and HAVING eye contact time with the models.

I am posting this here because I did not want to kick up a big fuss during the shoot. I hope the organizer would seriously take this into consideration for his future shoot.

 

[CS TAN]

You should have made a fuss during the shot so the organizer can 1) give you an valid explanation 2) stop the assistant from skimming off precious shooting time for the paid customers. Coming here to complaint without naming the organizer is not going to do you or anyone any good.

 

[Leong23]

Agreed with CSTAN, if not just don't join his photoshoot anymore.

 

[dradttg]

Well, I dont know about you guys but I cant really take good pictures after i lose my temper. That's wasting more of my own precise time as well as those other photographers that may be affected by me.

 

[sprintist]

Well, I dont know about you guys but I cant really take good pictures after i lose my temper. That's wasting more of my own precise time as well as those other photographers that may be affected by me.

3:1 is already a bad ratio to start with already

 

[Hexlord]

$160 for 2 hours? Wow!

 

[sprintist]

$160 for 2 hours? Wow!

there's an equilibrium!

price goes up, amount of cloth goes down :bsmilie::bsmilie:

 

[flowerpot]

not the first time this happen, last time also got organizer also shooting and get into the way of others...

 

[soeypixels]

name them, boycott them :devil:

 

[satch]

Well, I dont know about you guys but I cant really take good pictures after i lose my temper. That's wasting more of my own precise time as well as those other photographers that may be affected by me.

agree with you... i once attended an informal model hotel shoot after responding to a organizer's post, where he invited photographers for an informal shoot ... can't remember the exact words he used, but it's supposed to be non-profit... the thing is that photographers are supposed to share the hotel cost. it ended up with more than 10 photogs in a small tiny hotel room, and each photog asked to cough up more than $50... meaning to say more than $500 would be collected... upon checking further, I found out that the room cost less than $250.

I have nothing else to say

 

[satch]

agree with you... i once attended an informal model hotel shoot after responding to a organizer's post, where he invited photographers for an informal shoot ... can't remember the exact words he used, but it's supposed to be non-profit... the thing is that photographers are supposed to share the hotel cost. it ended up with more than 10 photogs in a small tiny hotel room, and each photog asked to cough up more than $50... meaning to say more than $500 would be collected... upon checking further, I found out that the room cost less than $250.

I have nothing else to say

That was the last group shoot that I have ever attended.

Like the TS, I will not name names so as not to cause embarrassment, but just to air some frustration & raise some awareness amongst people here.

 

[NeTHaCk]

i dont mind AWC .. beccause i myself am one. but the problem is when the assisstant does more shooting than assissting. thats where the problem lies.

when i assist i do take shots too, but not to the extent that i dont do my job. when you're free then shoot otherwise do your job. thats very important to all asisstants

 

[raincool2005]

tat is the reason why i rather pay more to shoot.

 

[sprintist]

i dont mind AWC .. beccause i myself am one. but the problem is when the assisstant does more shooting than assissting. thats where the problem lies.

when i assist i do take shots too, but not to the extent that i dont do my job. when you're free then shoot otherwise do your job. thats very important to all asisstants

an assistant is best being kept to assisting, it defeats the purpose once you bring up the camera. Exceptions may allow at the discretion of friends being the photographers who sometimes don't mind or even invite one to shoot and help out given the informality of everything.

However it is even more important to anticipate rather than acknowledge and that i feel, separates the good from the better.

 

[SharpShooterZ]

I guess everyone has heard of GWC, now i would like to add a new term, AWC, Assistant With Camera.

I went for a shoot last Sat and @160 for 2 hours, I am sure you all would understand how precious the face time with the models are.

First of all, the ratio of the shoot was 3:1. So I do not know why 3 * 2 models = 7. That's the first *scratch head *. Then there was another guy (number 8) whom the organizer claimed was an assistant. I again * scratch head * because instead of helping to move sofa or hold reflector, the assistant was shooting the model IN the same position as the photographers and HAVING eye contact time with the model.

I am posting this here because I did not want to kick up a big fuss during the shoot. I hope the organizer would seriously take this into consideration for his future shoot.

I was at the same shoot as well - but luckily my session is the one after you. I heard some other photographers complaining about that guy too, so i ask the organizer to split into 2 groups and maximum 3:1 only....thankfully there is no extra guy or AWCs in my sessions.

BTW the "helper" guy didnt help at all indeed. Before the shoot, i went with the organizer to help him rent the studio light and buy drinks (the coconut juice) because he wasn't responding any calls or sms'es. If i was in your group, i definitely will make noise and ask him to go home....i don't think it's fair to shoot for free when everyone else has to pay for it.

 

[dennisc]

Aw.. come on, the explanation is plain and simple. Got the helper via CS, expected to help. He didn't, he shot instead. I accosted him halfway of the shoot, he was out of it. Don't say I didn't do nuts.
Besides, the models cost way more than 160bucks/hour, thats what I'm paying them. Do the math! I just want to make it affordable for all, top of their usual rates.

7 shooters, because some guys suddenly moved into another slot, at the last min, calling me telling me they're coming, at at the lobby. What am I supposed to do?
And FYI, ask the price of the room with kitchen, living room & bedroom, how much does it cost? I dont even earn!

<edited off> btw that boutique hotel was 380 get the math right.

Thats all I rest my case. There will definately be some unhappy customers, it's natural.

 

[night86mare]

I am posting this here because I did not want to kick up a big fuss during the shoot. I hope the organizer would seriously take this into consideration for his future shoot.

you had a right.

so you never complain during shot, complain now, never mention names...

the organisers also don't know what is going on..

 

[sprintist]

Aw.. come on, the explanation is plain and simple. Got the helper via CS, expected to help. He didn't, he shot instead. I accosted him halfway of the shoot, he was out of it. Don't say I didn't do nuts.
Besides, the models cost way more than 160bucks/hour, thats what I'm paying them. Do the math! I just want to make it affordable for all, top of their usual rates.

7 shooters, because some guys suddenly moved into another slot, at the last min, calling me telling me they're coming, at at the lobby. What am I supposed to do?
And FYI, ask the price of the room with kitchen, living room & bedroom, how much does it cost? I dont even earn!

<edited off> btw that boutique hotel was 380 get the math right.

Thats all I rest my case. There will definately be some unhappy customers, it's natural.

im curious, would the proof of 380 work against you if their policy was that they don't allow mass gathering in a hotel? i thought that's what most hotel would disapprove:dunno:

 

[dennisc]

Yeh, the scene may not be recorded, but there wasn't just one, but a few models complained. No further bone to pick with you, but if you want to bring this further, I can easily name the girls and have them testify.

Just to clear the case, you paid 60bucks, for that modelshoot + 380bucks hotel. Why bitch bout it?

There are bound to be unsatisfied customers.. but if you're in my shoes, would you allow the photogs whom at the last min changed slots, wait? Also, 3photogs to 1 model, and at most 4photogs for 1 model. Dude, be realistic, is that a lot?

 

[dradttg]

I guess i must really thank my lucky star that I didn't turn up on Sat to find that it was a fashion shoot instead of lingerie. Because you did the maths and maybe the price is only enough for fashion shoot. You are not Ren Ci, no one is expecting you to operate at a loss and since you are good at doing the maths, you most probably will not lose any money. So dont use the price to justify what you have done and did not do correctly.

As the organizer, you have every right to ask the person who came too early to wait. OR the correct thing to do was to ask our permission. This is NOT the first time I am joining a photo shoot and in fact, I was joining photo shoot BEFORE you even started organizing. Other organizers would ask permission and sometime even offer to give discount for adding additional photographers.

As for your case with Satch, I dont know what happen. All I can say is these are very serious accusation and you better be prepare to provide evidence. If I were Satch and I am wrongfully accused, I would screen shot your post or ask the moderator to lock the thread; Have this post reviewed by a lawyer and see what to do next.

Aw.. come on, the explanation is plain and simple. Got the helper via CS, expected to help. He didn't, he shot instead. I accosted him halfway of the shoot, he was out of it. Don't say I didn't do nuts.
Besides, the models cost way more than 160bucks/hour, thats what I'm paying them. Do the math! I just want to make it affordable for all, top of their usual rates.

7 shooters, because some guys suddenly moved into another slot, at the last min, calling me telling me they're coming, at at the lobby. What am I supposed to do?
And FYI, ask the price of the room with kitchen, living room & bedroom, how much does it cost? I dont even earn!

<censored>btw that boutique hotel was 380 get the math right.

Thats all I rest my case. There will definately be some unhappy customers, it's natural.