Canon G9, Nikon P6000 or Panasonic Lumix LX3
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I doubt the P6000 can really stand up to the G9 or the LX3, in terms of image quality. It has a smaller sensor with more megapixels than the G9...so U can expect the quality wouldn't even be on par.
I think u should use the upcoming Canon G10 instead for a comparison to the LX3. No proper reviews are out yet for the G10 so maybe u can wait a while before u make a decision?
Personally, I think that the LX-3 is the best digital compact camera right now. Even after the G10's specs were announced, I immediately went for the LX-3 instead. Bigger sensor, superb image stabiliser, nice build quality, great dynamic range, decent high ISO noise control, not as bulky as G9/10, yummy 24-60mm f2.0-2.8 Leica lens, plenty of options & settings to play around with, and you can have it for only 680/690++ SGD, which is cheaper than what the G9 or G10 will cost. Check the Panasonic forums on threads regarding the LX3 and see for yourself. I have a friend who owns a G9, and after playing with my LX-3, he is convinced to sell off his Canon and get the LX-3.
I think u should use the upcoming Canon G10 instead for a comparison to the LX3. No proper reviews are out yet for the G10 so maybe u can wait a while before u make a decision?
Personally, I think that the LX-3 is the best digital compact camera right now. Even after the G10's specs were announced, I immediately went for the LX-3 instead. Bigger sensor, superb image stabiliser, nice build quality, great dynamic range, decent high ISO noise control, not as bulky as G9/10, yummy 24-60mm f2.0-2.8 Leica lens, plenty of options & settings to play around with, and you can have it for only 680/690++ SGD, which is cheaper than what the G9 or G10 will cost. Check the Panasonic forums on threads regarding the LX3 and see for yourself. I have a friend who owns a G9, and after playing with my LX-3, he is convinced to sell off his Canon and get the LX-3.
better is subjective.. all 3 are very capable compacts, maybe you'll like to go down to the shops to have a hands on..
of cos if I had to say which is "better", the LX-3 gets my vote, though quite a bias one cos I own one, some experience with the G9 and none with the P6000
You serious?
You do realise most compacts suffer when it comes to high ISO performance?
You do also realise that high ISO performance may not be a need for everyone?
I hope you are making a joke, because to tell someone to avoid a good camera based on one possible flaw (which most compacts suffer from), while overlooking all its other merits, is ridiculous. :nono:
It's not ridiculous, it's a good camera let down with a bad sensor. The LX-3 has noise even at low ISO settings.
at full blown pixel level maybe, but I'm sure its acceptable for most compact users.. if I wanted serious image quality I would get a dSLR..
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You may have a point, Parchiao... assuming that the OP also pixel peeps.
But if he is like me (and most other people out there), who actually uses the LX-3 for casual shooting and making small images/prints, then it's prob a non-issue.
I might suggest to the thread starter to wait for the P6000 and G10 to be out before deciding.
A P6000 review, interesting that we see less colour blotches, but a lot of white little dots with high ISO. Colours still look good though. http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/review/2008/10/02/9357.html
Nothing on the G10, but you can extrapolate from the G9's performance.
You must be joking...
Go check on the specs before you make such statements. G9 and P6000 both have sensors that are 1/1.7 inch big. Plus number of effective pixels on G9 is 12.1million, compared to P6000's 13.5million. Meaning you get higher pixel density on the P6000 sensor.
That translates the greater resolving power and perhaps better image quality. But that depends on the quality of lens used too.
I agree most pns do badly under high iso. No matter how prosumer/semi-pro that compact cam is.
But it is not good to rule out the use of high iso. It is something good to have. So one should not disregard high iso because he/she thinks that it is not needed currently. How can you predict your future needs with so much certainty?
Back to topic, LX-3, G9 and P6000 are able cameras. If you're concerned with noise, then compact cams should be ruled out altogether; you ought to be looking at dslrs. Compacts tackle noise by using low iso, like iso80, iso64 etc.
LX-3 large aperture may allow you to raise a few stops of shutter speed. Exactly how effective is the f2.0 - 2.8 lens is, you gotta try it for yourself.
G9 and P6000 allow you to use accessories like flash from the respective companies. G9's battery can be used in 450D, if one day you want to upgrade. P6000 offers in-built GPS. In my opinion, both are better choices than LX-3. It all comes down to price eventually.
i wont say is due to the sensor even if panny can produce a bigger sensor their noise reduction program will still be a problem.
i suppose most ppl are spoiled by canon iso performance in cmos sensor.
but at least panny stick to the lowest mp possible to produce cleaner pics.
where else canon, sony, nikon and fuji are leading the mp race.
my vote goes for panny.
canon is the next choice.
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Comparing the 3 with different characteristic, focal length and capabilities is like comparing apples, oranges and pears. Maybe TS would like to state what features are most important to him and what he like to use the P&S for. Choose with an open mind and no point arguing which is best as it is very personal.
As we all know every P&S had its limitations there is no such thing as a perfect camera or lens.
I owned most 24mm P&S as they are hard to come by, maybe next time it would be more common like a 28mm currently but not just a few years ago. Each generation from different manufacturer improves on the previous and my only criteria is that it is a 24mm or wider.
At the moment with such a criteria there are not many to choose from and believe me there is a mark difference in 24mm and 28mm focal length.
As we all know every P&S had its limitations there is no such thing as a perfect camera or lens.
I owned most 24mm P&S as they are hard to come by, maybe next time it would be more common like a 28mm currently but not just a few years ago. Each generation from different manufacturer improves on the previous and my only criteria is that it is a 24mm or wider.
At the moment with such a criteria there are not many to choose from and believe me there is a mark difference in 24mm and 28mm focal length.
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Hi to all, thanks for all your replies. What I am looking for is picture quality, meaning which camera takes a better pictures in most settings? I wanted to start with a DSLR but not sure which one is good for beginner so I thought might as well get familiarised with using cameras with manual settings.
The only camera of the three which I hold it in my hand is Nikon P6000 which is a snug fit on my hands but I feel is a pity as its picture quality compared to the other two feels a bit lacking. I like Nikon cameras as my father has used one last time which is a SLR and I used my friend's Nikon compact camera to take a picture for a poster and won a prize and hence a soft spot for them.
I have actually decided on Canon G9 but I came across a few posts mentioning Panasonic LX3 and after searching for pictures taken by it, I'm tempted to change my mind.
Therefore, I am writing this thread to seek more opinions to make a sound decision. The types of pictures that I will take most are most probably day and night landscape, macro, street photography, product and food photography and portraits.
I hope more people will join in the discussion. Thanks.
The only camera of the three which I hold it in my hand is Nikon P6000 which is a snug fit on my hands but I feel is a pity as its picture quality compared to the other two feels a bit lacking. I like Nikon cameras as my father has used one last time which is a SLR and I used my friend's Nikon compact camera to take a picture for a poster and won a prize and hence a soft spot for them.
I have actually decided on Canon G9 but I came across a few posts mentioning Panasonic LX3 and after searching for pictures taken by it, I'm tempted to change my mind.
Therefore, I am writing this thread to seek more opinions to make a sound decision. The types of pictures that I will take most are most probably day and night landscape, macro, street photography, product and food photography and portraits.
I hope more people will join in the discussion. Thanks.
The types of pictures that I will take most are most probably day and night landscape, macro, street photography, product and food photography and portraits.
I hope more people will join in the discussion. Thanks.
You have stated a tall order for a P&S but you are right in the Nikon aspect.
For street, product (up to a certain extend) and food photos both cam will be as good.
For landscape the 24mm of the LX3 compared to the 35mm of the G9 is....well you should know. As for portraits the G9 will probably have an edge and depending on what kind of portraiture you prefer the LX3 zoom is limited (I am basing solely on full pixel and not on extended zoom etc). As for image quality both to me are capable machines day and night, if you want any higher you would have to go for DSLR. G9 is a dated product since G10 had already been announced and also comes with a 28mm wide angle and possibly better image quality and dynamic range comparable to LX3. The decision is yous and is personal.
Hi Dennis, what do you mean by the above sentence? Can you elaborate on which is better in the landscape aspect and why?
I'm just curious, between these 3 cameras, which would you choose? I'm wondering if Canon G10 will be better than Panasonic LX3 if so maybe can wait a while.
if you shoot landscapes, you will know why you need a WA lens... i have the G7, and taking landscapes at 35mm (equivalent) can be a pain sometimes.
actually, when it comes to PnS, the more MP is not necessarily desirable. it is a matter of physics - the more you try to cram MP on limited sensor space, the more the noise. there's a comparison done by HWZ in this month's issue on PnS. you might want to read it.
end of the day, IMO, doesn't matter what PnS you get cos they all roughly suffer the same problem when it comes to IQ. what matters is how comfortable the cam is to you when using. best is to go to the shops to try.
Go straight for DSLR, get the D90 or the 450D. Those high end P&S prices are almost there anyway.
Also, if you want to play with manual control, DSLRs are much easier to use.
Yeah, now that the TS mentioned that he/she would have gone straight for DSLR, I would recommend it. The D60 is also a cheap and capable camera, I have tried it and it is pretty good. PnS , with the exception of the Sigma DP1, is pretty much a let down if image quality is what you are after.
I've done a lot of pixel peeping before purcasing LX3, from the sample pictures I saw, Lx 3 may have slightly better ISO performance than G9, However, it doesn't has as much resolve power as G9, guess may be due to noise suppression. Shooting RAW may be a way out.
To my surprise, Lx3's ISO performace seems to be a great leap compared with the LX2, which produces color blotches. By comparison, LX3 has a more grainy look which appeals more to me.
I plan to use LX3 mainly in ISO 80-200 range, with the fast lens and image stablization, it should be able to handle most situations.
My complains about the camera is it doesn't balance well in my hand...p6000 has a much nicer grip. Also I'd like to see some wheel controls, just like canon G.
About the p6000, it freezes the LCD display when autofocus...too bad...and judging from previous release of Nikon compacts...I avoided p6000
To my surprise, Lx3's ISO performace seems to be a great leap compared with the LX2, which produces color blotches. By comparison, LX3 has a more grainy look which appeals more to me.
I plan to use LX3 mainly in ISO 80-200 range, with the fast lens and image stablization, it should be able to handle most situations.
My complains about the camera is it doesn't balance well in my hand...p6000 has a much nicer grip. Also I'd like to see some wheel controls, just like canon G.
About the p6000, it freezes the LCD display when autofocus...too bad...and judging from previous release of Nikon compacts...I avoided p6000
Get the Canon Powershot S5! Just kidding. :bsmilie:
Personally, when I buy a camera, it would be to suit what kind of pictures I want to take.
For e.g, if you like landscape, go for the LX3 because of its wide angle.
As for the noise problem, I am not so sure. The pics posted here on CS look pretty fine to me. Unless I am really that pa jiao that I don't see the noise.
And unless you really want to get serious about photography, I wouldn't really recommend a DSLR. No doubt that some of the entry level DSLRs are almost on par in terms of pricing with the prosumer compact models, I personally feel that one should get a DSLR for the flexibility of changing lenses, faster burst mode etc. And usually that arises when are person is a serious amateur.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Personally, when I buy a camera, it would be to suit what kind of pictures I want to take.
For e.g, if you like landscape, go for the LX3 because of its wide angle.
As for the noise problem, I am not so sure. The pics posted here on CS look pretty fine to me. Unless I am really that pa jiao that I don't see the noise.
And unless you really want to get serious about photography, I wouldn't really recommend a DSLR. No doubt that some of the entry level DSLRs are almost on par in terms of pricing with the prosumer compact models, I personally feel that one should get a DSLR for the flexibility of changing lenses, faster burst mode etc. And usually that arises when are person is a serious amateur.
Just my 2 cents worth.
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