1. For the so-called "subsidy", HDB imposes onerous conditions on the buyers (min occupation period, racial quotas, who you can rent your flats to, etc). If a private developer were to impose the same conditions on its buyers, I'm pretty sure they would have to price their condos at a substantial "discount" to the market price.
So I view HDB's so-called subsidy as a compensation for my acceptance of their onerous conditions rather than a "subsidy".
2. How does really subsidising HDB flats distort the market? Because if such actions will completely distort the market, then subsidies cannot be justified at all, since the functioning of a market economy will be impaired. Yey the govt subsidises education (from primary school thru NUS/NTU) and healthcare. Have the healthcare and education markets been completely distorted? Do you see prices in the private education sector, clinics and hospitals collapsing because of govt schools, clinics and hospitals.
3. How does the govt prevent people from being cheated by selling items at market price? How does selling things below market price to citizens who fulfill a particular criteria rob all future Singaporeans? Because if it does, then what the govt did many years ago, when they sold flats at a real subsidy to get poor Singaporeans to move from the kampongs to HDB flats, must have been a real terrible mistake that shortchanged you and cheated you and wronged you.
4. You claim that I can realise my "subsidy" by turning it around and making a 20% profit. Ha! Why don't you try that? HDB will tell you to come back in 5 years, minimum. And suppose the market falls in 5 years, I don't make any money when I sell-- so where is my so-called "subsidy"? I take the risk, right? But you, Mr HDB, have already made a profit on your sale to me.
So where is the so-called "subsidy"?
5. You may think that it's a good idea for govt agencies to make profits. I don't agree. The purpose of government is to provide services (security, education, defence, healthcare, etc.) for the people. To provide services, they have to raise revenues in the form of taxes. Govt revenues (whether from taxes, sale of land, investments, etc) are thus meant to cover the cost of providing services to the people, not to raise huge profits for the govt.
Taxes and other government fees and charges (incl. HDB flat prices) are a burden on the people, but a necessary one, so that the govt can function. This is an issue in mature democracies, where in fact many countries strive to balance the budget because tax revenues aren't sufficient.
Making profits in government, particularly huge profits, has been sold by our media as a wonderful thing because it adds to our "national" surpluses. Well, that's good propaganda, but the reality is that we are paying too much for our government services.
The principle is that a govt should strive for a balanced budget, so that it does not have to borrow, but neither does it have to over-burden the people.
Lets get this clear-- the govt should not make big profits, neither should it make huge losses. Anything else is cheating the people. The former is cheating the present generation, the latter is cheating the future generation.
6. On transparency, it's very simple. When asked to state the cost of constructing a flat, state it. No ifs, no buts, no "it's not relevant to the pricing of a flat", no making a state secret of it. Why so evasive, Mr HDB?
It is because the HDB is a the largest custodian of the nation's land bank, that I expect them to act responsibly in that custodial duty, not only for the behalf of present HDB dwellers, but ALL Singaporeans, present and future. To what purpose does it serve the public good if the HDB were to completely distort the property market by severely under-pricing the sale price of flats? If the return on the land is not optimised properly (i.e. paid fair value for), then taxpayers like you and me are being cheated. Geddit?
It is exactly because HDB is being funded by public money (btw, most HDB flat dwellers do not pay income tax, or very little), that they have a responsibility to use those funds in a fair and proper manner. I expect it. I expect the HDB not to shortchange the taxpayers and future generations by giving away valuable land at steep discounts just for the sake of appeasing present flat buyers. I don't just expect it, I demand it.
Costs? You tell me, what are the components of that cost that you so wish to see? Is the open market value of the land not also part of that cost? If I built a block of flats in Yishun and built the same block in Orchard Road, what is the 'cost' of that flat? The construction cost? That should roughly be the same, shouldn't it? But would HDB sell both flats at the same price? Of course not! There is a MARKET VALUE to the location of the flat. If HDB were to sell both flats at the same price, would the person buying the Orchard Road flat not be getting a larger subsidy than the one in Yishun? So the 'costs' incorporate the market value of the land/location, which is what HDB has been saying all along. It prices it flats according to market value, a completely transparent statement and without any smoke whatsoever.
Using the example above, don't tell me its a 'fake' subsidy. If someone sold me a private apartment at less than market value, and I turned it around the next day and sold at a 20% profit, it is real money in the pocket. The previous owner has effectively subsidised my 'flat'.
HDB makes a profit? To what end? First off, I have no issue with public bodies generating surpluses. If they were loss-making and eating up public funds, THEN I would be really upset. Next, whatever revenue they generate goes back into that big pot called g-ment reserves. You can argue back and forth what the size of that reserve should be, but that is beyond this discussion.
At the end of the day, there is all this talk about 'transparency', as if the HDB were hiding something. You'd be wondering why our public servants were scratching their heads about what else they really needed to do, since they had already repeatedly stated that the "cost" is the MARKET VALUE. It cost the g-ment (and taxpayers) that amount to build and locate that flat in that place, which had otherwise been sold to a private developer, would have gained the g-ment (and taxpayers) that amount of revenue. It is an opportunity forgone (opportunity cost) when the g-ment (on behalf of citizens and taxpayers) uses a piece of land for public housing and sells it for less than market value, rather than selling it to a private developer.
A) It is a real subsidy
B) As I see it, HDB is about as transparent about this as they can be
C) I agree there is an affordability issue