Full Format DSLR vs Prosumer DSLR?
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My suggestion to you is don't buy a DSLR now, since I assume from your statement that you do not have adequate knowledge on photography to jump onto the bandwagon.
Do read more on basic photography and digital photography. Also do a search on wikipedia on "crop factor". Read more before you buy the camera. If not you might just be wasting money.
Do read more on basic photography and digital photography. Also do a search on wikipedia on "crop factor". Read more before you buy the camera. If not you might just be wasting money.
If you are just a hobbyist or starting out... I think you should not even consider D300 but instead look at D40/D80 cos you may not use the extra functions you are paying for the D300. D3 is definitely out of the question if its just for hobby firstly due to the price ($7000+) secondly cos photography is not about going out and buying the best equipment out there...
If you are an extremely advance hobbyist or a pro who needs full frame, then you should not even be asking these questions
If you are an extremely advance hobbyist or a pro who needs full frame, then you should not even be asking these questions
I think a better analogy is :
If a person has the money to splurge and he is willing and happy to do so, who says a new driver should not be buying/driving a Lamborghini or Ferrari or any expensive poweful fast car but a basic 1.6 litre sedan which almost every Tom, Dick or Harry is buying/using?
The Nikon D3 may be expensive to many people but definitely not to those with high income and wealth.
This is common sense.
For the threadstarter, here are a few links which discusses the advantages and disadvantages of full frame vs a small image sensor :
http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?t=321380
http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?t=321959
http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/full-frame-advantage.htm
If a person has the money to splurge and he is willing and happy to do so, who says a new driver should not be buying/driving a Lamborghini or Ferrari or any expensive poweful fast car but a basic 1.6 litre sedan which almost every Tom, Dick or Harry is buying/using?
The Nikon D3 may be expensive to many people but definitely not to those with high income and wealth.
This is common sense.
For the threadstarter, here are a few links which discusses the advantages and disadvantages of full frame vs a small image sensor :
http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?t=321380
http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?t=321959
http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/full-frame-advantage.htm
I don't see why a newbie who is serious to learn photography and with the cash to afford it should not be buying a D3 or D300 to start off with :dunno:
For a rich guy, you can always feel free to drive any car.
For a ordinary guy with limited budget, it is common to start with a low price car since the new driver might not be able to control the car well and even when accident happen, the damage would not be that great right?
It's down to individual to get whatever they need within the budget.
1 litre car is not a crap for someone (salesman, agent) with limited budget and would need a car to move around. Especially in SG, where how fast a car can travel up to? (even expressway also face traffic jam problem)
Same goes for other lower end DSLR like D40/K100D/400D. They are not crap, especially when you see how the users can take wonderful photos out of it.
I agree with the rest that starting up with the basic is important especially when it is the first time to own a DSLR. There are some cases in CS that first time DSLR user decided to return to Prosumer or compact as DSLR is not suitable for them.
Kenso: If my reply had offended you, I would apologizes to you in advance.
start with the prosumer DSLR. like the D80 is good enough. more than good i must say. learn the basics. you won't need a full frame unless you're gonna earn money with it
i guess in many cases these boils down the the few "conditions"
Cost - If you can afford it easily. Heck just get the best and learn from there.
Weight - Well, there is significant different of this for the FF and the smaller DSLR with smaller sensors... the bigger the sensor the bigger the camera has to be...
Build - How does it feel in your hands? and how are the buttons located? In the words of a fellow Cser you have to "feel the force" and i agree totally with him. regardless of brands unless you're a die hard fan. You should go around "feeling" it. Just like how certain diamonds will find u..
If money is a factor which most of us hobbits are... say u have $10k to spend... most would recommend getting more gears such as a good tripod, better lenses, more batteries and such than to just buy a camera which is close to that price...
but if you talk about a FF and entry level DSLR... of course you'll find that pictures taken with a FF DSLR (set at auto) will be clearer than those of a entry DSLR (please don't flame me...). Also at higher ISO setting eg 1600 and 3200, the FF will have lesser noise... simply the sensor is bigger... so far i think the Canon 1D Mark III has pretty good rating for its ISO 3200.
Happy purchasing!
Cost - If you can afford it easily. Heck just get the best and learn from there.
Weight - Well, there is significant different of this for the FF and the smaller DSLR with smaller sensors... the bigger the sensor the bigger the camera has to be...
Build - How does it feel in your hands? and how are the buttons located? In the words of a fellow Cser you have to "feel the force" and i agree totally with him. regardless of brands unless you're a die hard fan. You should go around "feeling" it. Just like how certain diamonds will find u..
If money is a factor which most of us hobbits are... say u have $10k to spend... most would recommend getting more gears such as a good tripod, better lenses, more batteries and such than to just buy a camera which is close to that price...
but if you talk about a FF and entry level DSLR... of course you'll find that pictures taken with a FF DSLR (set at auto) will be clearer than those of a entry DSLR (please don't flame me...). Also at higher ISO setting eg 1600 and 3200, the FF will have lesser noise... simply the sensor is bigger... so far i think the Canon 1D Mark III has pretty good rating for its ISO 3200.
Happy purchasing!
Buy first talk later. If you don't like the D3 (too heavy or what), can always sell it at the buy/sell forum. I'm sure many folks will be delighted to discuss.
no no no, don't sell it there. please contact me via pm. i will definitely give you the best price possible.. :devil: cannot disclose here, later people jealous
but anyways, it is not a fair comparison to do with cars. all cars drive the same way. most of the additional features given when you pay a higher price are just that, additional.. bells and whistles. the thing is, a d3 is not going to be easier in terms of basic use. then we will see a whole thread asking about how to use d3.. then another thread asking why his lenses keep giving funny pictures because he kena cheated to buy wrong type.. :devil:
for beginners, it is probably easier to start out with a simpler dslr first. you don't just dive to the deepest depths when you learn diving, do you?
D300's got a pretty steep learning curve to start with if 1 has no prev experience. I guess the latter implies to more of professional usage and the other, serious amature consumer, D300. However if you don't like the D3, just give it to me... :bsmilie:
I've seen many people gave up taking photos faster than they can decide which camera to buy simply because they went straight for the expensive models but didn't know how to use them even if their lifes depended on it. To them, those soon became expensive "investments" which yield little or no returns.
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