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    i notice that bouncing off a black surface seems to increase the ambient light (in the picture) and less harsh flash cast on the subject. it looks so much better than bouncing off white surface. anyone is using black bounce?

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    Quote Originally Posted by baggiolee View Post
    i notice that bouncing off a black surface seems to increase the ambient light (in the picture) and less harsh flash cast on the subject. it looks so much better than bouncing off white surface. anyone is using black bounce?
    You are just wasting flash power that way. Might as well use a white surface, increase your set exposure, and reduce flash power.

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    it is like adding ND filter to your flash,
    is there a need when you can just simply lower your flash output?
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    Default Re: Flash: Bouncing off Black Surface

    that's not the real purpose of black bounce card, but if it works for you go ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baggiolee View Post
    i notice that bouncing off a black surface seems to increase the ambient light (in the picture) and less harsh flash cast on the subject. it looks so much better than bouncing off white surface. anyone is using black bounce?
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    Default Re: Flash: Bouncing off Black Surface

    the colour black, absorbs light.

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    it might be a shiny black surface...
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    Quote Originally Posted by coolthought View Post
    it might be a shiny black surface...
    Shiny or not, it will still absorb more light than any other colour and still you wouldn't have the sufficient flash output to light your subject.

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    I just stick with a DIY tranluent bonuce card =)
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    Try this: take off the bounce card, keep the flash orientation the same. You'd get just about the same results. Most of your light is now probably coming from the light that goes around the black 'bounce card' and reflecting off the environment.

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    No offense but do you know why something is black in the first place?
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    i notice that bouncing off a black surface seems to increase the ambient light (in the picture) and less harsh flash cast on the subject. it looks so much better than bouncing off white surface. anyone is using black bounce?
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    Default Re: Flash: Bouncing off Black Surface

    Quote Originally Posted by baggiolee View Post
    i notice that bouncing off a black surface seems to increase the ambient light (in the picture) and less harsh flash cast on the subject. it looks so much better than bouncing off white surface. anyone is using black bounce?
    I believe you are referring to a black bounce card and not the wall ....

    The "On Camera Flash" book from Neil Van Niekerk did mention about this technique. He uses the black foamie thing to provide a directional light and without disturbing others.
    This is his link talking about this black foamie thing......

    http://neilvn.com/tangents/2009/11/2...-foamie-thing/

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    Quote Originally Posted by kutten View Post
    I believe you are referring to a black bounce card and not the wall ....

    The "On Camera Flash" book from Neil Van Niekerk did mention about this technique. He uses the black foamie thing to provide a directional light and without disturbing others.
    This is his link talking about this black foamie thing......

    http://neilvn.com/tangents/2009/11/2...-foamie-thing/
    Think they are two different thing. Neil is using it to block off stray direct flash onto his subject while bouncing off a wall but TS is bouncing his flash off the black card it self.
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    If you find that off a white surface your light is too harsh, your control of the flash power or flash exposure is wrong. (ie. too much)

    Bouncing off a black surface is wasting flash power.

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    Default Re: Flash: Bouncing off Black Surface

    Quote Originally Posted by kutten View Post
    I believe you are referring to a black bounce card and not the wall ....

    The "On Camera Flash" book from Neil Van Niekerk did mention about this technique. He uses the black foamie thing to provide a directional light and without disturbing others.
    This is his link talking about this black foamie thing......

    http://neilvn.com/tangents/2009/11/2...-foamie-thing/
    That foam thing is used to cut direct light, so the light does not irritate people around the photographer. The light is still shooting upwards and bouncing down back from the ceiling as the main source of light.

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    Default Re: Flash: Bouncing off Black Surface

    Quote Originally Posted by kutten View Post
    I believe you are referring to a black bounce card and not the wall ....

    The "On Camera Flash" book from Neil Van Niekerk did mention about this technique. He uses the black foamie thing to provide a directional light and without disturbing others.
    This is his link talking about this black foamie thing......

    http://neilvn.com/tangents/2009/11/2...-foamie-thing/
    the common term use among photographers for that thingy is call "flag". was originated in cinematography.
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    Default Re: Flash: Bouncing off Black Surface

    Quote Originally Posted by yqt View Post
    Think they are two different thing. Neil is using it to block off stray direct flash onto his subject while bouncing off a wall but TS is bouncing his flash off the black card it self.
    Quote Originally Posted by daredevil123 View Post
    That foam thing is used to cut direct light, so the light does not irritate people around the photographer. The light is still shooting upwards and bouncing down back from the ceiling as the main source of light.
    Quote Originally Posted by catchlights View Post
    the common term use among photographers for that thingy is call "flag". was originated in cinematography.
    OIS, thanks for the clarification.

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