F80-some personal feelings

[D2Hpeter]

it is strange...after shooting for a while in digital with my cp5700 and D70 and also occasionally with my film slrs [F75+MB-18 and the recently purchased F80], I feel that my liking is coming back to film after the initial craze about the convenience and "high tech" of digital.
Got a very special feeling the other day as i was arranging the prints from the F75 shots on my album... the very act of handling the prints, looking at them as they were being arranged on the album was quite something that would not be quite achievable in digital...and after that i pulled out a 10yr old album containing my son's photos when he was a few month's old

btw, personally i find that the feel and handling of the F75+MB-18 is shiok, much better than the D70. Intend to get the MB-16 for my F80 too.
Now I am using more of my D70 for experimentation too perfect skills for the film.

PS. the beauty of the projection of some slides shot onto the white screen in my study room was beyond description. Definitely not available on a computer screen.

my future direction could be more towards film than digital?

[r0n9]

hiak hiak.. share the same sentiments!! there's something about film that digital can never match up to.. be it the feel of film or juz the anticipation of the photos..
true, digital reduces the time needed to see the photos and oso allow for more convenience however, the only 'stuff' u can play around wid it will be DI (that.. is another playground all tgt), gone are the darkrooms, development liquids etc..
i personally own a F80 and yep.. saving up to get a MB-16..i guess in future i will get a digital body,but its for convenience sake, for the fun of photography..i'll stick to film~ heh..

cheers

[LimCB]

Originally Posted by D2Hpeter it is strange...after shooting for a while in digital with my cp5700 and D70 and also occasionally with my film slrs [F75+MB-18 and the recently purchased F80], I feel that my liking is coming back to film after the initial craze about the convenience and "high tech" of digital. Got a very special feeling the other day as i was arranging the prints from the F75 shots on my album... the very act of handling the prints, looking at them as they were being arranged on the album was quite something that would not be quite achievable in digital...and after that i pulled out a 10yr old album containing my son's photos when he was a few month's old btw, personally i find that the feel and handling of the F75+MB-18 is shiok, much better than the D70. Intend to get the MB-16 for my F80 too. Now I am using more of my D70 for experimentation too perfect skills for the film. PS. the beauty of the projection of some slides shot onto the white screen in my study room was beyond description. Definitely not available on a computer screen. my future direction could be more towards film than digital?

Ya congrats.

[LimCB]

Originally Posted by r0n9 guess in future i will get a digital body,but its for convenience sake, for the fun of photography..i'll stick to film~ heh.. cheers

You mean digital is not fun?

[r0n9]

Originally Posted by LimCB You mean digital is not fun?

i find developing prints more fun

[wizard_de_weird]

Originally Posted by r0n9 i find developing prints more fun

Yes, I agree. When shooting with film, you'll be more focus as you will want all shots to come out good and nice. That's the fun about photography But with digital, sometime you'll tend to just snap the shots without thinking much It'll be just wasting time creating lots of useless pictures which eventually got deleted away

[LimCB]

Originally Posted by wizard_de_weird But with digital, sometime you'll tend to just snap the shots without thinking much It'll be just wasting time creating lots of useless pictures which eventually got deleted away

Do you have any statistics on this phenomenon among the general population using digital cameras? Or you're just guessing?

[r0n9]

i believe wizard is tryin to say that wid a digital cam, one needs not bother himself/herself wid film cost, therefore resulting in a greater number of total shots taken. i guess most ppl will agree wid this pt..

secondly, is the law of averages, if u shoot more(when ur a beginner) there are bound to be more 'wasted' shots and ppl may juz decide to go 'wild' wid a digital cam.. of cos, the law of averages can oso be used to state that more better photos will oso be shot

well.. i guess this is wizard's pt of view..

[satan_18349]

This is just a very SIMPLE and GENERAL example.

[LimCB]

Originally Posted by r0n9 i believe wizard is tryin to say that wid a digital cam, one needs not bother himself/herself wid film cost, therefore resulting in a greater number of total shots taken. i guess most ppl will agree wid this pt.. secondly, is the law of averages, if u shoot more(when ur a beginner) there are bound to be more 'wasted' shots and ppl may juz decide to go 'wild' wid a digital cam.. of cos, the law of averages can oso be used to state that more better photos will oso be shot well.. i guess this is wizard's pt of view..

So if you shoot ONE picture a day, you'd be guaranteed to be a very good photographer one day.
Also, if you're a poor photographer, your pictures would tend to be better than a rich one because you'd know how to save film.

[r0n9]

Originally Posted by LimCB So if you shoot ONE picture a day, you'd be guaranteed to be a very good photographer one day. Also, if you're a poor photographer, your pictures would tend to be better than a rich one because you'd know how to save film.

well.. that isnt to my reasoning
going wild and shooting alot is different

[r0n9]

anyway, there isnt any pt in all these
this is juz D2HPeter's thread in voicing out his feelings for film

[LimCB]

I have no problems with d2hpeter's love for film. But I find the assertion that because you can shoot more for free, you'd tend to go "wild" and end up with lots of "wasted" pictures weird and unfounded, most times laughable.

[r0n9]

is every picture u take a keeper? if so, good for u
if u think its laughable, well.. laugh at it yourself..

[nikonsiao]

hi all, me like feeling of F75+ MB17 too.......words cannot describe it.... make me waste hell of a number of film rolls. once i start shooting i wun stop.....

[D2Hpeter]

Originally Posted by LimCB I have no problems with d2hpeter's love for film. But I find the assertion that because you can shoot more for free, you'd tend to go "wild" and end up with lots of "wasted" pictures weird and unfounded, most times laughable.

As i hv mentioned in my post, i personally tend to be more experimental with digital ie D70 in trying out all the possible combinations. Trial and error sometimes or following certain guru's theory from some photo mag etc other times. I would say it is easier to try with digital and you get instant feedback on your theory, and this instant feedback tends to reinforce our memory better and hence with more trials, i think it would be natural for one to have drastic improvement. This is one good advantage of digital esp for beginners.

[D2Hpeter]

Originally Posted by nikonsiao hi all, me like feeling of F75+ MB17 too.......words cannot describe it.... make me waste hell of a number of film rolls. once i start shooting i wun stop.....

hay, man, you made the same mistake again....it is MB-18. James is gonna knock your head

[smallaperture]

Originally Posted by D2Hpeter it is strange...after shooting for a while in digital with my cp5700 and D70 and also occasionally with my film slrs [F75+MB-18 and the recently purchased F80], I feel that my liking is coming back to film after the initial craze about the convenience and "high tech" of digital. Got a very special feeling the other day as i was arranging the prints from the F75 shots on my album... the very act of handling the prints, looking at them as they were being arranged on the album was quite something that would not be quite achievable in digital...and after that i pulled out a 10yr old album containing my son's photos when he was a few month's old btw, personally i find that the feel and handling of the F75+MB-18 is shiok, much better than the D70. Intend to get the MB-16 for my F80 too. Now I am using more of my D70 for experimentation too perfect skills for the film. PS. the beauty of the projection of some slides shot onto the white screen in my study room was beyond description. Definitely not available on a computer screen. my future direction could be more towards film than digital?

I got somewhat the same feeling. F80 and D70. I am now still in the discovery phase of the D70, after using it for 3 months only. Still discovering. I still got a feeling for film, the sharpness, resolution, dynamic range, etc.

BTW, have you tried scanning your film to digital, do it by the mini-lab, then you can compare on screen side by side. You will be able to see a huge difference. Well, it is different. I will not give up on my F80. Afterall, a used F80 could only fetch 300 to 400+.

[D2Hpeter]

Originally Posted by smallaperture I got somewhat the same feeling. F80 and D70. I am now still in the discovery phase of the D70, after using it for 3 months only. Still discovering. I still got a feeling for film, the sharpness, resolution, dynamic range, etc. BTW, have you tried scanning your film to digital, do it by the mini-lab, then you can compare on screen side by side. You will be able to see a huge difference. Well, it is different. I will not give up on my F80. Afterall, a used F80 could only fetch 300 to 400+.

Yes, I hv a nikon coolscan IV. The resolution is quite good. I could do some cropping and put in some text in photoshop and then reprint it.
2900dpi, does that mean it is much, much better than the usual 300dpi from digital cam? Still quite confused about all these technical terms, really.
btw, what kind of huge difference did you see?

[smallaperture]

Originally Posted by D2Hpeter Yes, I hv a nikon coolscan IV. The resolution is quite good. I could do some cropping and put in some text in photoshop and then reprint it. 2900dpi, does that mean it is much, much better than the usual 300dpi from digital cam? Still quite confused about all these technical terms, really. btw, what kind of huge difference did you see?

A couple of years ago, when digital was sort of taking off, people used to argue between digital and film. Film is so much better in terms of sharpness, resolution, dynamic range, colour and so forth. If you look at a pic side by side, film and digital, there is such a vast difference. Digital looks somewhat bland compared with a good film.

Now, folks are so used to digital that the argument somewhat has faded away! On film, I get my rolls developed and scanned. It is only about 1.5Mp, but it's fabulous against the D70's 6Mp. Reason: Scanned negatives have got the 3 colours RGB on each pixel, unlike digital using the Bayer's interpolation.