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    Quote Originally Posted by shaoken View Post
    Sorry to cut, but my friend who is part of the SPF told me that the SPF knows what's going on.
    It's NOT "real photographers" who are doing all these.

    The sleaze industry are spoiling the image for some people.
    Some ppl go KTV with DSLRs.

    People go book those KTVs girls then... *you know what*..
    I don't know what "you know what".

    Please tell us "you know what" so that we can go to "you know where" and shoot "you know who" at "you know when".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion View Post
    I've worn this in my first year of photography:

    This is epic, I need to get me one of those as well. Or maybe one with the orange triangle XD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rashkae View Post
    For me, I shake my head sometimes at the kids that buy a DSLR to "look pro" but never use anything but Auto... And it gives me many "facepalm" moments, like when I saw a teeny girl with her obviously very brand new 7D and 24-70L lens (her friends were all "oohing" and "aaahing" and you could hear "So proooooooo!" at least 10 times) and she was doing what all new xmm DSLR owners do... Trying to take an up-close, "macro" shot of her cake. And wondering why the camera wasn't focusing. Then laughing and trying to act as if nothing was wrong, then giving the DSLR a worried look. Then taking a picture of her "frenz" who of course all tried to pull of a horrible rendition of the japanese kawaii look, had no problems with the shot, then tried to take a picture of the cake again and failing again...

    This can be seen in Starbucks all over Singapore on any day.

    I'm ashamed of Starbucks.

    The other day I and my friends when there to Lim Kopi.

    The person at the counter told us, "Got DSLR or not? If bring DSLR and take photos must pay $2 more per camera."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion View Post
    I'm ashamed of Starbucks.

    The other day I and my friends when there to Lim Kopi.

    The person at the counter told us, "Got DSLR or not? If bring DSLR and take photos must pay $2 more per camera."
    are you serious?!
    u must be kidding right

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion View Post
    I'm ashamed of Starbucks.

    The other day I and my friends when there to Lim Kopi.

    The person at the counter told us, "Got DSLR or not? If bring DSLR and take photos must pay $2 more per camera."
    Aiyoo. You're still lucky. They told me "You can only have a table if you have a macbook with facebook loaded and a DSLR. If you have iPad, you must have Angry Birds or facebook loaded".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion View Post
    I don't know what "you know what".

    Please tell us "you know what" so that we can go to "you know where" and shoot "you know who" at "you know when".
    Haha... totally random... Since when did SPF come into the topic.

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    @TS

    We understand what you're trying to say here. Perseverance, effort, diligence, what have you. All admirable traits. That much we all agree on. Where you have gone wrong is how you "measure" these traits, and the kind of attitude you give them. That's what we are calling you out for. You claim "spoiled rich kids" don't have the passion and it's "insulting". To which most of us say "why are you being judgemental?" Why are you so bitter that they got the gears they want without effort compared to you? Just because they got a free pass at getting a DSLR you already label them as "without passion". Yes, what you say might be true for some. Your friends, maybe. They may really lack passion, but then, so what? Will their skills, passion or lack of it or whatever hinder you from achieving what you want? Are you any less of a person, are your skills affected in any way? Is your interest curbed because of it? Because if it did, you should realize you're not quite as passionate as you think you are.

    If you are looking for someone to agree with you on your views, I think you've come to the wrong place. Being passionate also means you are willing to share your enthusiasm with other people. Note that willing does not equate to forcing. It comes with the understanding that not all people will share your viewpoints or your level of enthusiasm. And that's totally fine. In this forum, there are people who use Canon, Nikon, Sony and all other types of cameras. Some entry-level gears, some top-tier serious business ones. What brings us here together is that we share an interest in photography and would love for others to have the same. There is no discrimination (or at least, there shouldn't be). If someone bought the latest gears and steps into the newbie forums, there'll be people willing to help out (RTFM and GIYF comments aside). Again, it's not the gears or how you acquire it. For some people, they immediately love photography. For others, it's an acquired taste. For others still, it's just a fashion statement. Different people, different tastes. Nothing wrong with that.

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    Frankly it is admirable for TS to save up and get the DSLR himself... so he did it the hard way. However there is no shame in a rich man son who wanted to take up photography and his/her parents just went out and buy one for him/she. Who knows, that pampered kid might actually have a flare for photography and really loved it after holding the camera for a while and shooting.

    There are the very lucky and the not that lucky and those downright unlucky people in this world, it is just part and puzzle of life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rashkae View Post
    Aiyoo. You're still lucky. They told me "You can only have a table if you have a macbook with facebook loaded and a DSLR. If you have iPad, you must have Angry Birds or facebook loaded".
    bro... that's what i do after my shoots. i go to starbucks. with my DSLR.... and drink coffee.. haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by kei1309 View Post
    bro... that's what i do after my shoots. i go to starbucks. with my DSLR.... and drink coffee.. haha
    I'm usually too sweaty. I just linger in the doorway, enjoy the aircon, and try to ignore the poly kids trying to squeeze past me without touching my sweat-drenched shirt. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rashkae View Post
    I'm usually too sweaty. I just linger in the doorway, enjoy the aircon, and try to ignore the poly kids trying to squeeze past me without touching my sweat-drenched shirt. LOL
    i always have a reserved table to sit at where the fans are. i usually hang out at Starbucks Thomson Plaza

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    Not sure if this has been posted somewhere in between... (just got the link from a friend and would like to share) /kaypoh

    Source: http://rhysharper.com/2011/06/16/my-...-photographer/

    "There was a time when I thought that the work you create is a product of the gear you use. There was a time when I talked about fancy lenses and spent time looking for gear to build a huge collection, thinking it would make me a “real” photographer. There was a time when I placed an importance on how much money I might make from doing photography, and there was a time when I thought that working with high-profile clients might make me successful. There was a time that I began doing photography not knowing what it meant or why I liked it. There was a time when the sound of shutter was the major reason I took photographs. There was a time when I had no idea how to talk about photography. There was a time when people thought I was this cool photographer, but inside, there was no substance. That time is gone, largely due to a great man and true educator in the photography community.

    ...

    In 2004, I enrolled at Parsons School of Design here in New York City. I had researched the school and of course, found it to be one of the most well-known and seemingly respected art schools in the nation. I admit – I went to Parsons for the name. With alums like Isaac Mizrahi, Donna Karan, Marc Jacobs and a huge slew of fashion photographers shooting for all the major publications, somehow I got the idea that the Parsons name would earn me some success and a high-profile career. Boy, was I mistaken.

    A few months after school started, the photo department chair called me into her office and told me that she wanted me to take remedial black and white photography. And then subsequently told me that about 12 credits from my almost 70 which I’d earned during my Associate degree meant nothing, and that I would be starting as a freshman. I was already not impressed with the school or my professors. I had a couple of really fantastic professors, one of whom had a tremendous impact on my life. I’ll talk about him later, too. But my experience at Parsons as a whole left me feeling discouraged and very lost. After a slew of bad courses and then a semester critique at which one of the department heads told me that my work was boring, shitty, and that no one would want to look at it, I felt defeated. I decided that I just couldn’t ask my parents to help me pay $50,000 a year for another three years only for me to feel horrible about doing photography.

    I finished out the school year and left Parsons to find my way in the world. In retrospect, I think I was really sad about quitting. And as much as I sometimes feel bad about myself for being 28 and just now finishing my Bachelor’s and actually making some accomplishments and getting myself together, I think that my decision to leave Parsons was the right one. Despite the flailing, the floundering, the calling my parents to bail me out because I didn’t have a “real” job, the desperate feelings that I might never succeed or do something worthwhile with my life… I made the right decision. Because all of those things have led me here. To this very moment. I have spent the past 7 years climbing a mountain, and right now, I am standing at the top of that mountain looking back at my journey from an incredible view. It’s amazing when one day you wake up, look back, and see how far you’ve come. And that’s where I am right now.

    There was a time when I didn’t understand what it means to be a photographer, or what things are important. But that time is long gone.

    Being a photographer is not a career. It’s not a job, it’s not a hobby, it’s not some thing I do for fun. Being a photographer is literally who I am. It is my identity. Because for me, being a photographer is the very essence of my attitude and beliefs. It is far beyond a means of self-expression. It is the result of the way I think, see, and do. It is a culmination of every experience I have lived, and it is the way I communicate with the world in order to effect change."

    If you're asking what's my point, please read the above again.
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    My edited version of the Riflemans creed, though not applicable to myself.



    This is my <YOUR_DSLR_CAMERA>. There are many like it, but this one is mine. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. Without me my <YOUR_DSLR_CAMERA>is useless. Without my <YOUR_DSLR_CAMERA>, I am useless. I must press my shutter <YOUR_DSLR_CAMERA> true. I must shoot straighter than the nubcake who is trying to outshoot me. I must shoot it before he shoots it. I will. My <YOUR_DSLR_CAMERA> and I know that what speed/aperture and ISO and not auto we fire, the continuous low and high ratio of burst, or the amount of cropping and rules of 3 we do. We know that it is the winning shot and that shot is mine. We will press that shutter.

    My <YOUR_DSLR_CAMERA> is human, even as I am human, because it is my life. Thus, I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weaknesses, its strengths, its parts, its accessories, its FPS and FOV. I will keep my <YOUR_DSLR_CAMERA> clean and ready, even as I am clean and ready. We will become part of each other.

    Before God I swear this creed. My <YOUR_DSLR_CAMERA> and I are the defenders of photography. We are the masters of our own imagination. We are the saviors of this art.

    So be it, until victory in Manual mode screw AUTO mode.

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    Alright I only read the first page of this thread on CS iPhone version.

    I find the disturbing thing nowadays being that everyone has a DSLR. And seeing that they claim to be photographer poses a problem in that amateurs get more jobs than professionals. Everyone just pays the money and get someone with a DSLR to shoot for them. If this is happening now, what will happen to us would-be-professionals in the future?

    Though the most disturbing thing to me is actually seeing people do things like flash for landscapes >.>

    And I don't find what's wrong with posting these here. It's a forum and Kopitiam after all. Everyone has the rights to complain, though don't expect things to change. The first comment was going against TS harshly. Those who read that comment will probably agree with him and in the end lose their own points of view. It's sub-conscious

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    Wah... Chimm.....

    @sion, you don't happen to have a photo of a professional's vest do you?... Make it easier for us to recognise what a pro photographer would look like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seezhijie

    Though the most disturbing thing to me is actually seeing people do things like flash for landscapes >.>
    I think it's called light painting with the infinity bounce technique.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seezhijie View Post
    Alright I only read the first page of this thread on CS iPhone version.

    I find the disturbing thing nowadays being that everyone has a DSLR. And seeing that they claim to be photographer poses a problem in that amateurs get more jobs than professionals. Everyone just pays the money and get someone with a DSLR to shoot for them. If this is happening now, what will happen to us would-be-professionals in the future?

    Though the most disturbing thing to me is actually seeing people do things like flash for landscapes >.>

    And I don't find what's wrong with posting these here. It's a forum and Kopitiam after all. Everyone has the rights to complain, though don't expect things to change. The first comment was going against TS harshly. Those who read that comment will probably agree with him and in the end lose their own points of view. It's sub-conscious
    What is wrong with using flash to light up my foreground?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tumblrsucks View Post
    Recently, there has been a high rate of teens buying dslr cameras. Do you think they are really into photography? moreover, those cameras were paid by their pitiful parents.
    These bunch of teens would look at a website with pretty pictures and feel like they are in love with photography too. I really want to know what everybody think about this issue. It is driving me nuts. These people with no passion, insulting our passion.
    I believe the parents feel that it is better for them to spent time taking photos ( even if they are lousy photographers ) rather than spent time in gang fight and getting into trouble

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    @TS

    POV of a parent who are willing to spend :

    Coming for a point of time. you should realize parents will always want the best for the kids.

    Where as it use to be the Pro who will own the SLR/ DSLR. Cost is a factor. Now is afforable to get one.

    Where as Parents POV. you will rather to spend some money on the kids. Maybe can cultivate a hobby, instead of the teenager getting to trouble or fight.

    As you think as the Parents POV. why not?



    POV of a teenager:

    As a point of view, TS is thinking where as you might be a teenager. where as things like gadgets are easily given to you. you might not appreciate what was bought from parents given to you.


    My POV: What wrong with a little help from parents? even if the teenager don't get to appreciate photography? As long as they are not harming pple. they keep themselves busy. What wrong?

    should you focus your energy to be better than those rich kids? than to get sour grapes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by seezhijie View Post

    I find the disturbing thing nowadays being that everyone has a DSLR. And seeing that they claim to be photographer poses a problem in that amateurs get more jobs than professionals. Everyone just pays the money and get someone with a DSLR to shoot for them. If this is happening now, what will happen to us would-be-professionals in the future?
    Then you don't have confidence in your ability to perform better than a hobbyist.. Loads of professionals make do despite all these people being present.

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