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    Default why can't they build compact full frame ?

    there could be a simple answer to this but it puzzles me for quite sometimes.
    Last time we can have film compact camera with zoom. can't they replace the film size with an equal size sensor, and of course add some electronics to it and have a compact full frame camera ?

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    digital compact full frame does exist. Check out Leica M9

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    Quote Originally Posted by ehchang View Post
    there could be a simple answer to this but it puzzles me for quite sometimes.
    Last time we can have film compact camera with zoom. can't they replace the film size with an equal size sensor, and of course add some electronics to it and have a compact full frame camera ?
    when the consumers are willing to pay $3k-5k for a compact camera.
    edit: think I should make a correction
    when consumers are willing to pay US$7k (Leica M9).... some do already....
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    there are rangefinders: compact cameras with large sensors. there are probably 2 main difficulties in making compact cameras with large sensors
    1: an electronic sensor of equivalent size will not be as small as a frame of 35mm film
    2: lenses for larger sensors will not be compact, even more so if you want a zoom lens.

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    If you make something bigger, people are more willing to pay good price for it.

    Alternatively, you can make something sleek and then price it banking on the brand.

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    Default Re: why can't they build compact full frame ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ehchang View Post
    there could be a simple answer to this but it puzzles me for quite sometimes.
    Last time we can have film compact camera with zoom. can't they replace the film size with an equal size sensor, and of course add some electronics to it and have a compact full frame camera ?
    Compact smaller sensor cameras are still doing well, and still has long milking potential..

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    My take is... FF sensor in compact body is not as profitable as putting a APS-C size sensor in a compact body... because FF sensor is harder and more expensive to build and people who want to buy a FF camera didn't want to buy a compact body that is ergonomically not as good as full size DSLR.

    Rangefinder is a different toy altogether though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by giantcanopy View Post
    Compact smaller sensor cameras are still doing well, and still has long milking potential..
    Well, what I can think of is basically the "milking potential" too...hence, no FF sensor on Compacts.....( of cos how I wish exists...!! )
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    Default Re: why can't they build compact full frame ?

    Its only a matter of affordability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhino123 View Post
    My take is... FF sensor in compact body is not as profitable as putting a APS-C size sensor in a compact body... because FF sensor is harder and more expensive to build and people who want to buy a FF camera didn't want to buy a compact body that is ergonomically not as good as full size DSLR.

    Rangefinder is a different toy altogether though.
    Ergonomics is not about size. It's how you shape the camera that matters.

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    Default Re: why can't they build compact full frame ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ehchang View Post
    there could be a simple answer to this but it puzzles me for quite sometimes.
    Last time we can have film compact camera with zoom. can't they replace the film size with an equal size sensor, and of course add some electronics to it and have a compact full frame camera ?
    will you willing to spent 3-4k to buy a full frame compact camera?

    btw, Leica M8 does not classified as compact camera, is a full frame inter-changeable lens rangefinder camera.
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    Default Re: why can't they build compact full frame ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ehchang View Post
    there could be a simple answer to this but it puzzles me for quite sometimes.
    Last time we can have film compact camera with zoom. can't they replace the film size with an equal size sensor, and of course add some electronics to it and have a compact full frame camera ?
    during the film days, there was a few models 120 film format compact camera, average price is $2000, compare to the average price of a fixed focal length lens 35mm film format compact camera is only $200.

    so it is only a matter of price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edutilos- View Post
    Ergonomics is not about size. It's how you shape the camera that matters.
    I never say it is about size. I say that full DSLR is more ergonomically designed and better in ergonomic then compact camera. It has nothing to do with just size. Grips, position of the buttons, interface, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhino123 View Post
    I never say it is about size. I say that full DSLR is more ergonomically designed and better in ergonomic then compact camera. It has nothing to do with just size. Grips, position of the buttons, interface, etc.

    totally agree..i tried out portrait shoots with my m4/3 camera with ring flash on one hand and camera on the other.. it's really a delcate balancing act, almost dropped my cam on the floor more than once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catchlights View Post
    will you willing to spent 3-4k to buy a full frame compact camera?

    btw, Leica M8 does not classified as compact camera, is a full frame inter-changeable lens rangefinder camera.
    Leica M8 is not Full frame, it's a 1.3 crop body, only Leica M9 is full frame. Cheers!

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    Fullframe mirrorless

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    actually i don't need a compact full frame, what i really need is a full frame with better AF & faster frame rates, which is more important in delivering the final photos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kei1309 View Post
    Fullframe mirrorless
    Still the M9!

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    Yield of FF sensor will always be lower than cropped sensor. So a FF compact will be more expensive than the usual target consumer of such cameras. Such a camera may not even be well received by layman consumers, who only want 'everything sharp' and 'everything bright' and of course 'cheap'. A small sensor camera with its high DOF, and cheap sensor is really best placed for the general consumer. FF on compact camera is like "Dui Niu Tan Qin" (ie. playing the harp to the cow)

    Largish 'pro' looking FF DSLRs boost egos and can command a better price, so no point to rock the boat.
    This is really a very important point for a working pro as well, esp. nowadays when DSLR's are readily affordable. Just like the larger alpha male gorilla thumps his chest loudly, the working photographer sports a large expensive camera to shoo away uncles who will otherwise come over and say "your camera not even better than my one"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkins View Post
    actually i don't need a compact full frame, what i really need is a full frame with better AF & faster frame rates, which is more important in delivering the final photos.
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