Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 12
Results 21 to 39 of 39

Thread: Carl Zeiss versus Canon L and Nikon Lenses

  1. #21

    Default Re: Carl Zeiss versus Canon L and Nikon Lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by kentwong81 View Post
    Is there a 3D effect for this photo?



    Let there be 3D pop:

    (sorly hor, used yr pix 4 expt)

  2. #22
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    singapore
    Posts
    2,093

    Default Re: Carl Zeiss versus Canon L and Nikon Lenses

    I think the important part is how the lens renders transitions from in focus ot out of focus areas.. only some of the primes do this well though.. zooms generally arent too good.

    anw, does this count? =) nikkor 135mm f2 AIS @ 5.6

    Last edited by Ben Ang; 21st June 2011 at 11:34 AM.
    F3, FTN, D700, just primes =)
    http://littleredcake.smugmug.com/

  3. #23

    Default Re: Carl Zeiss versus Canon L and Nikon Lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by rhino123 View Post
    What do you mean? Alot of lenses are doing that effect... as long as you know how to control it.

    Sigma 28mm f1.8 Mini Wide II


    Canon 70-200mm f4L


    Canon 100mm f2.8
    I do think the 70-200L has it, while I can't say I see it for the other 2.



    Quote Originally Posted by kentwong81 View Post
    Is there a 3D effect for this photo?

    I'm on the fence on this one. On the one hand, its well isolated from the bkgnd to have make the subject 'stand out', but the transition between the whole person (esp. the body) is not crisp enough to create a well drawn outline of separation.


    Nice photos in both cases btw.


    As mentioned by others, the whole thing about the 'pop' can be rather subjective. So take my opinion as what it is (just an opinion ) and a dose of salt.
    Last edited by pinholecam; 21st June 2011 at 11:41 AM.

  4. #24

    Default Re: Carl Zeiss versus Canon L and Nikon Lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Ang View Post
    I think the important part is how the lens renders transitions from in focus ot out of focus areas.. only some of the primes do this well though.. zooms generally arent too good.

    anw, does this count? =) nikkor 135mm f2 AIS @ 5.6
    It has got sth to do with micro-contrast. Any diff from your original pix?


  5. #25

    Default Re: Carl Zeiss versus Canon L and Nikon Lenses

    Something like this I suppose?


    85mm f/1.2L

    It's all about lighting, and DOF.

  6. #26
    Member tikiman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Back home in Singapore
    Posts
    941

    Default Re: Carl Zeiss versus Canon L and Nikon Lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by desmondsoon View Post
    Can anyone please suggest such "star" lenses that more often than not give the "pop out" , "3-D" effect from the Nikon, Cannon & Sigma range of lenses ?? Many tks
    It is hard to pin-point a star lens. Cause different lens has it strength and weakness. Even the el-cheapo Canon 50mm f1.8 can make the subject pop when used with the right conditions.





  7. #27

    Default Re: Carl Zeiss versus Canon L and Nikon Lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by tikiman View Post
    It is hard to pin-point a star lens. Cause different lens has it strength and weakness. Even the el-cheapo Canon 50mm f1.8 can make the subject pop when used with the right conditions.
    I don't know...I like skarekrow24's "pop" @ post #9 better than these photos and mamypoko's @ post #25

    Somehow skarekrow24's "pop" seems to really pop.... may be the pp

  8. #28
    Member skarekrow24's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    Singapore
    Posts
    279

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by scratches

    I don't know...I like skarekrow24's "pop" @ post #9 better than these photos and mamypoko's @ post #25

    Somehow skarekrow24's "pop" seems to really pop.... may be the pp
    To be honest, not much pp was done beyond some tonal adjustments in lightroom. The pop effect was already obvious once I checked it on the camera LCD

  9. #29
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    Shunfu Road, Singapore
    Posts
    2,465

    Default Re: Carl Zeiss versus Canon L and Nikon Lenses

    There are 2 ways to draw an apple on a white piece of paper.

    1. Draw an ouline of the apple and paint it with a single shade of green.
    2. Draw an outline of the apple and paint it with different shades of green, some light, some darker (this is called shading) and contrast the shaded green apple against a coloured background to accentuate the outline of the apple.

    So which picture will have the 3D pop to your eyes or which one is more realistic to the your eyes.
    Home is where the heart is.

  10. #30

    Default Re: Carl Zeiss versus Canon L and Nikon Lenses

    i dun understand, erm.. is the "3D" you guys are refering to, bokeh?
    Alpha
    Want to get back to photography

  11. #31

    Default Re: Carl Zeiss versus Canon L and Nikon Lenses

    I'm curious about something ... much was mentioned about 'micro-contrast'.

    What is it, actually, both in terms of optical physics and real-life photo examples?

  12. #32
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Singapore
    Posts
    4,195

    Default

    IMO, I think there is more than 3D and micro-contrast. The T* multicoating, all metal barrel construction, lack of AF mechanism, smooth focusing seems to indicate lenses that will last a lifetime. And 3D here is not about thin DoF or bokeh. Even at larger aperture, this feel of the subject being having the dimension of depth is apparent.

  13. #33

    Default Re: Carl Zeiss versus Canon L and Nikon Lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Lee View Post
    There are 2 ways to draw an apple on a white piece of paper.

    1. Draw an ouline of the apple and paint it with a single shade of green.
    2. Draw an outline of the apple and paint it with different shades of green, some light, some darker (this is called shading) and contrast the shaded green apple against a coloured background to accentuate the outline of the apple.

    So which picture will have the 3D pop to your eyes or which one is more realistic to the your eyes.
    I think this really is the best way to describe it.

  14. #34
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    Shunfu Road, Singapore
    Posts
    2,465

    Default Re: Carl Zeiss versus Canon L and Nikon Lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by pinholecam View Post
    I think this really is the best way to describe it.
    Thanks JK. I used to draw black and white portraits with both charcoal and 6B art pencil. With charcoal, you use your finger to spread the charcoal across your subject after you have shaded with it. This gives a very fine texture and is a good style for drawing portraits of women. I can also use a 6B pencil but the result gives you very grainny texture and the black goods darker, resulting in better contrast. I prefered using 6B pencil because the resultant portrait is livelier and has more pop. So, when I equate this to sensor technology, I am not sure whether there is any relationship.
    Home is where the heart is.

  15. #35

    Default Re: Carl Zeiss versus Canon L and Nikon Lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Dream Merchant View Post
    I'm curious about something ... much was mentioned about 'micro-contrast'.

    What is it, actually, both in terms of optical physics and real-life photo examples?
    In my terms, I believe micro contrast to be the perceived sharpness of the image, and is the differentiation between adjacent edges of the image where the contrast is only slightly different.

    If you use USM in Photoshop, what PS is doing is improving the micro contrast between these areas, thus improving the 'sharpness' of the image.

  16. #36

    Default Re: Carl Zeiss versus Canon L and Nikon Lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Dream Merchant View Post
    I'm curious about something ... much was mentioned about 'micro-contrast'.

    What is it, actually, both in terms of optical physics and real-life photo examples?
    http://www.16-9.net/lens_tests/zf25_...iss_zf25b.html

    The link above may help. It doesn't talk about micro-contrast exactly. But it does a side by side comparison of the output from Zeiss 25 2.8 vs Canon 24 1.4.

    See the difference for yourself.

    I think it is alot like lens sharpness or the camera's dynamic range. Sure, we can use computer algos to get some of it back, but somehow it doesn't seem as nice as coming out from optics.

  17. #37

    Default Re: Carl Zeiss versus Canon L and Nikon Lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Dream Merchant View Post
    I'm curious about something ... much was mentioned about 'micro-contrast'.

    What is it, actually, both in terms of optical physics and real-life photo examples?
    I think this is a pretty good example :

    http://photography-on-the.net/forum/...d.php?t=891517
    The samples from the 1st post are nice examples.

    Notice the ability of the Zeiss 100mm to render the shadows and shades of colors within each color, increasing apparent sharpness as a result and also looking more life like.
    Of course this is not saying that only Zeiss is able to do this.

  18. #38
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    Shunfu Road, Singapore
    Posts
    2,465

    Default Re: Carl Zeiss versus Canon L and Nikon Lenses

    The new Zeiss ZE/ZF 35f1.4 is an amazing lens and produces very 3D images. Someone at FM just posted this photo shot with 5d2.

    Home is where the heart is.

  19. #39

    Default Re: Carl Zeiss versus Canon L and Nikon Lenses

    Ah yes... the elusive "3D look". It's like a grail or something. I recall a 30 or 60-page thread on FM forums last year arguing on the very same thing, with tonnes of nice supporting pictures. The strange thing while thin DoF frequently contributes to the "3D look", there are some exceptional photos that doesn't rely on thin DoF to achieve that feel. You have to see it to understand. btw, i think the thread sort of derail in the end with no obvious conclusion.

    I think it's sorta like porn vs art. You can't define the difference but you know it when you see it.

Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 12

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •