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    Default Need help on TIFF.

    As I'm quite new to Nikon Dslr. Still not quite yet grips with Raw shooting, cause everything I shoot JPEG, I notice I've a TIFF option to choose now. Is this some sort of compromise between this two? When exactly should I use it ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikondrian View Post
    As I'm quite new to Nikon Dslr. Still not quite yet grips with Raw shooting, cause everything I shoot JPEG, I notice I've a TIFF option to choose now. Is this some sort of compromise between this two? When exactly should I use it ???
    I feel TIFF file size is quite close to RAW. The only good thing that it has over RAW file is that it's more universally recognise by photo editing software.

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    Default Re: Need help on TIFF.

    what is jpg? what is tiff?

    JPEG - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    tiff file size is huge, much bigger than NEF, but you don't need to convert it before use.

    depends on your usages, choose your file format you need.
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    Hi, RAW is the data format captured by the camera's image sensor and therefore
    represents the true data before in camera processing to jpeg.

    TIFF and JPEG are recognised computer graphic formats.TIFF is used by professional
    publishing industry as it is a higher quality format compared to jpeg.Technically speaking TIFF is a LOSSLESS format while JPEG is a LOSSY one
    which basically means there is no data loss or removed/reduced for TIFF and JPEG
    loses data every time you post process and save in image manupulation software
    like Adobe Photoshop so there is a degradation of quality each time you PP and save file.

    Once highlights,shadow details or data is lost in JPEG,it cannot be recovered in PP.
    This is where RAW and TIFF has an advantage when you don't expose correctly
    when picture taking by camera.Professional photographers always shoot in RAW or
    RAW+JPEG for their bread and butter.Once a moment in time is lost it's lost forever
    according to current physics.
    Last edited by one eye jack; 13th June 2011 at 11:52 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by one eye jack
    Hi, RAW is the data format captured by the camera's image sensor and therefore
    represents the true data before in camera processing to jpeg.

    TIFF and JPEG are recognised computer graphic formats.TIFF is used by professional
    publishing industry as it is a higher quality format compared to jpeg.Technically speaking TIFF is a LOSSLESS format while JPEG is a LOSSY one
    which basically means there is no data loss or removed/reduced for TIFF and JPEG
    loses data every time you post process and save in image manupulation software
    like Adobe Photoshop so there is a degradation of quality each time you PP and save file.

    Once highlights,shadow details or data is lost in JPEG,it cannot be recovered in PP.
    This is where RAW and TIFF has an advantage when you don't expose correctly
    when picture taking by camera.Professional photographers always shoot in RAW or
    RAW+JPEG for their bread and butter.Once a moment in time is lost it's lost forever
    according to current physics.
    Hi thanks it really meant to me for fully understood when exactly I need to use TIFF. ;-) tyvm to all. Correct me if I'm wrong is that only Nikon provide TIFF?? If yes am wondering why only Nikon provide on their Dslr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikondrian View Post
    Hi thanks it really meant to me for fully understood when exactly I need to use TIFF. ;-) tyvm to all. Correct me if I'm wrong is that only Nikon provide TIFF?? If yes am wondering why only Nikon provide on their Dslr.
    what model of Nikon DSLRs are you using currently? i'm not sure about entry-level models... to offer to shoot in TIFF on entry-level DSLRs would kill the buffer instantly. so i'm guessing you're using a D3? or D7000/700?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kei1309

    what model of Nikon DSLRs are you using currently? i'm not sure about entry-level models... to offer to shoot in TIFF on entry-level DSLRs would kill the buffer instantly. so i'm guessing you're using a D3? or D7000/700?
    Hi thks yr reply u are right I'm using d700 am still quite new and still lots to learn from here CS . Thks ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikondrian View Post
    Hi thanks it really meant to me for fully understood when exactly I need to use TIFF. ;-) tyvm to all. Correct me if I'm wrong is that only Nikon provide TIFF?? If yes am wondering why only Nikon provide on their Dslr.
    Hi,This may shed some light for you.Camera companies try to outdo each other for market share so add extras which other brands don't.
    The question is will the consumer find it useful or convenient? Some people say they can't see any difference between TIFF and JPEG fine.
    You must do your own reasearch and find out what is real TIFF format and how it is processed in software like photoshop.Tiff is just a format,
    how it is implemented varies with camera brands meaning the software algorithm (method) ,whether it is efficient,fast etc.One thing to know is
    TIFF file is bigger than RAW or JPEG so memory capacity and time to process is a factor and whether it gets in your way of shooting pictures.
    It's pros and cons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by one eye jack

    Hi,This may shed some light for you.Camera companies try to outdo each other for market share so add extras which other brands don't.
    The question is will the consumer find it useful or convenient? Some people say they can't see any difference between TIFF and JPEG fine.
    You must do your own reasearch and find out what is real TIFF format and how it is processed in software like photoshop.Tiff is just a format,
    how it is implemented varies with camera brands meaning the software algorithm (method) ,whether it is efficient,fast etc.One thing to know is
    TIFF file is bigger than RAW or JPEG so memory capacity and time to process is a factor and whether it gets in your way of shooting pictures.
    It's pros and cons.

    ://darrellyoung.blogspot.com/2010/01/what-image-format-is-best-for-my.html
    PS. My posts are less than fifty so I can't post links.
    Thanks that meant a lot... I still need to learn Lots for fully neutralize my gear thks. ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikondrian View Post
    Thanks that meant a lot... I still need to learn Lots for fully neutralize my gear thks. ;-)
    Why do you wanna neutralize your gear? Is it acidic or something?
    Exploring! :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZerocoolAstra

    Why do you wanna neutralize your gear? Is it acidic or something?
    Am sorry for my English not that good. ;-) Sorry for wrong words I'm using. Rushing to work just nw. Send that message while I'm driving..,.right nw stil driving... What I mean is to fully learned, understand and make use of the gear to make a nice picture.... ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikondrian View Post
    Am sorry for my English not that good. ;-) Sorry for wrong words I'm using. Rushing to work just nw. Send that message while I'm driving..,.right nw stil driving... What I mean is to fully learned, understand and make use of the gear to make a nice picture.... ;-)
    oh I see
    Do you mean 'utilize' ?

    No need to apologize!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZerocoolAstra View Post
    oh I see
    Do you mean 'utilize' ?

    No need to apologize!
    i thought auto-correct was at fault

    anyways... it's not necessary to shoot in TIFF. that's only if you are a hard-core, die-die has to have the best quality out of the camera photographer

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    Ha make me shy ;-) .

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    Quote Originally Posted by kei1309

    i thought auto-correct was at fault

    anyways... it's not necessary to shoot in TIFF. that's only if you are a hard-core, die-die has to have the best quality out of the camera photographer
    That means they may be saved with higher degree of information like bit depth without any compression?? It may be slow if I take a number of images for quick but is better from a quality of view. Wondering if I'm correct....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikondrian View Post
    That means they may be saved with higher degree of information like bit depth without any compression?? It may be slow if I take a number of images for quick but is better from a quality of view. Wondering if I'm correct....
    if you have all the time in the world to get the shot e.g. a studio shoot where you control almost everything, then go ahead.

    but if you're shooting an event that requires high frame rate or for the buffer to be clear so you can catch the moment... then it's better not to use it. common sense will tell you that you will miss the shot if your camera's still processing the previous image(s)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kei1309

    if you have all the time in the world to get the shot e.g. a studio shoot where you control almost everything, then go ahead.

    but if you're shooting an event that requires high frame rate or for the buffer to be clear so you can catch the moment... then it's better not to use it. common sense will tell you that you will miss the shot if your camera's still processing the previous image(s)
    Tyvm,your advice. Between, as I prefer to shoot in JPEG to avoid having to convert masses of raw files is there any way of tweaking the white balance?? Thanks in advanced. ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikondrian View Post
    Tyvm,your advice. Between, as I prefer to shoot in JPEG to avoid having to convert masses of raw files is there any way of tweaking the white balance?? Thanks in advanced. ;-)
    I would suggest shooting NEF+JPEG to start with. If in case the camera screws up in the JPEG conversion you can always go back to the RAW.
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    I've a question. Is TIFF a looseless picture that takes in all the in-camera processing settings such as Active-D lighing and vibrance without striping all the unnecessary info like what jpeg does?
    If so, I'd rather just shoot RAW. Save space with equal or greater amt of info....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowseye View Post
    I've a question. Is TIFF a looseless picture that takes in all the in-camera processing settings such as Active-D lighing and vibrance without striping all the unnecessary info like what jpeg does?
    If so, I'd rather just shoot RAW. Save space with equal or greater amt of info....
    It can be. TIFF format is flexible and can be lossless or lossy. It does have the capacity to be the equivalent of a lossless NEF or it can be slightly better than JPEG. Depends on how it is implemented. I'm clueless about the D700 here. TS, you want to lend me the camera to find out?
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