why Minolta camera is so light?

[anonymous]

can't they make it as hard as nikon ?

[ckiang]

Quote: Originally posted by anonymous can't they make it as hard as nikon ?

Why do you think they cost less?

Regards
CK

[anonymous]

Quote: Originally posted by ckiang Why do you think they cost less? Regards CK

u no do home work, dynax7 and 9 is no less than nikon or canon.

[sulhan]

....FYI

Minolta consumer bodies are generally lighter because its designed for consumer in mind. Fro example, Tourist whom want to travel light and would not want to have a heavy equipment on their neck. Good glass lens is already enough to strain ones hands......

[ckiang]

Quote: Originally posted by anonymous u no do home work, dynax7 and 9 is no less than nikon or canon. do your homework 1st before u comments.

I did, I don't have the latest pricing with me, but as far as I can remember:

Nikon F100 is about $2k.
Canon EOS3 is slightly less than $2K.
Dynax 7 is cheaper than the other 2.

Dynax 9 should be compared with Nikon F5 and EOS 1V, both near to $3k. The 9 is less than $3k.

According to B&H:

Dynax (Maxxum) 9 : US$1229.95
Dynax (Maxxum) 7 : US$589.95

Canon EOS 3 : US$889.95
Canon EOS 1V: US$1649.95

Nikon F100 : US$999.95
Nikon F5 : US$1929.95

I rest my case.

Regards
CK

[Kit]

First you say Minolta is not as "hard " as Nikon, then you say Minolta is no less then Nikon or Canon............you're so full of contradiction.

[anonymous]

Quote: Originally posted by Kit First you say Minolta is not as "hard " as Nikon, then you say Minolta is no less then Nikon or Canon............you're so full of contradiction.

[YSLee]

Quote: Originally posted by anonymous can't they make it as hard as nikon ?

Pardon me, but do you have a case of penile dysfunction?

[andre]

Quote: Originally posted by ckiang Why do you think they cost less? Regards CK

Aiiyooo...Nikon man....hehehe...

ckiang....dun be like that leh....my dynax 7 got same performance like ur F100....hehehehe....

anyway....Minolta use alot of electrical component rather than mechanical compenents that why minolta is cheaper....

but some say that mechanical component can last longer rather than the electrical component..

also ....minolta use more hard-plastic rather than metal...only for dynax 9 they use alot of metal.

-Andre

[Bluestrike]

Quote: Originally posted by andre Aiiyooo...Nikon man....hehehe... ckiang....dun be like that leh....my dynax 7 got same performance like ur F100....hehehehe.... anyway....Minolta use alot of electrical component rather than mechanical compenents that why minolta is cheaper.... but some say that mechanical component can last longer rather than the electrical component.. also ....minolta use more hard-plastic rather than metal...only for dynax 9 they use alot of metal. -Andre

err...
the Dynax 7 has so much more features then the F100....
so much that 9Lives is still trying to figure out how to use them!
hehhehhee

[anonymous]

Quote: Originally posted by YSLee Pardon me, but do you have a case of penile dysfunction?

erm, am I in the wrong froum ??

[ckiang]

Quote: Originally posted by Bluestrike err... the Dynax 7 has so much more features then the F100.... so much that 9Lives is still trying to figure out how to use them! hehhehhee

Let's not go into a "my camera better than yours" debate, my point is, Minolta obviously cut some costs from somewhere, in this case, the body. Not to say that the camera is no good though.

Of course, too many functions is a disadvantage. If you either take so long to figure out everything, or end up using 10% of the functions, then it's useless to have so many in the first place.

Regards
CK

[sulhan]

I think Minolta is quite aggressive in their cost reduction strategy. If you look at the "x-rayed" diagram of the camera (can be found in www.minoltausa.com), minolta seem to use quite a lot of flexible printed circuits (which are 2/3 lighter than conventional printed circuits) like those used on inkjet pens. Lots of plastic/nylon gears and electronic sensors.

Plastics seem to be less succceptible to corrosion and also less risk of "oops i scratched the paint-off the camera while changing the lens".

I personally think that the most important metal parts would be the axle which couples the camera to the lens (for AF) and the lens mount.

As for the features..........the Dynax 7 has features which you will use (99.99% control of your shots).....not like a video cassette....whose features are just for selling gimmick.

For me, i'm VERY happy with mine and glad to have a great pool of users in this forum to share ideas and skills.

Have a nice day,
regards,
me

[andre]

Quote: Originally posted by Bluestrike err... the Dynax 7 has so much more features then the F100.... so much that 9Lives is still trying to figure out how to use them! hehhehhee

hehehe.... i also still to figure out some of them...but usually i just use the main function lah....like P, A, S, M and also the compensation dial....

hehehe

-Andre

[sulhan]

Hi All....

Do you know that in Dynax 7 ....in manual focus mode.......there will be a indicator to indicate if you have put the image in focus (moving the focus ring manually).

Cool....!!!!!!


thats all 4 now...


regards,
Sulhan

[ckiang]

Quote: Originally posted by sulhan Hi All.... Do you know that in Dynax 7 ....in manual focus mode.......there will be a indicator to indicate if you have put the image in focus (moving the focus ring manually). Cool....!!!!!! thats all 4 now... regards, Sulhan

eh, so does the Nikon F80, F100, F5, Canon EOS 30, 3, 1V, EOS D30, D60, etc.

Hey, even cameras as old as the Canonet QL17, Yashica Electro 35, etc all have similar focus aids.

Regards
CK

[erwinx]

Quote: Originally posted by ckiang eh, so does the Nikon F80, F100, F5, Canon EOS 30, 3, 1V, EOS D30, D60, etc. Hey, even cameras as old as the Canonet QL17, Yashica Electro 35, etc all have similar focus aids. Regards CK

i think some of them also got beeping sound when in focus, even more powerful still....

[ckiang]

Quote: Originally posted by erwinx i think some of them also got beeping sound when in focus, even more powerful still....

LOL!!

Regards
CK

[sulhan]

Hahahahah!!!!....

[Ian]

Quote: Originally posted by sulhan I think Minolta is quite aggressive in their cost reduction strategy. If you look at the "x-rayed" diagram of the camera (can be found in www.minoltausa.com), minolta seem to use quite a lot of flexible printed circuits (which are 2/3 lighter than conventional printed circuits) like those used on inkjet pens. Lots of plastic/nylon gears and electronic sensors.

Given the size of the PCB's in a camera your point has little relevance. All modern cameras use flexible printed circuit boards where possible and have for the past couple of decades.

Nylon and plastic gears are used by most manufacturers, even in professional grade bodies. The main difference is that bodies like the F5 use higher quality (Mil spec for example) components.

Quote: Originally posted by sulhan Plastics seem to be less succceptible to corrosion and also less risk of "oops i scratched the paint-off the camera while changing the lens".

Indeed plastics do tend to be less succeptible to corrosion in the conventional sense, however polycarbonates have serious stability problems with prolonged UV exposure and tend to work harden and stress fracture.

Quote: Originally posted by sulhan I personally think that the most important metal parts would be the axle which couples the camera to the lens (for AF) and the lens mount.

Professional bodies use a full metal chassis, thus tying the film plane to the lens mount and shutter. This is not cheap to do and there is considerable machining involved. Magnesium alloys are the preferred chassis materials in most professional camera bodies as it has excellent corrosion resistance, dimensional stability and machining qualities while being lighter than the older zinc alloys used in the early 80s.

In an earlier post you said
"...come on....why do you want a heavy camera??"

Here's a few reasons why a heavier professional camera is superior to a light camera.

1) Vibration Damping
Cameras have a considerable amount of internal vibration that needs to be damped out. Mirror, shutter and internal film advances all create vibrations that do effect the quality of an image.

The use of a heavy camera body lowers the levels of vibration considerably.

2) Balance
A heavy fast lens (eg: 80-200/2.8, 300-400mm f2.8 etc) requires a fairly heavy camera body to be well balanced and to 'point' well. Pointing is how the camera and lens behaves when moved.

3) Durability
Light weight designs are fine for casual and non professional use, however the use of heavier constructed components such as thicker gears and larger bearings and bushings on larger diameter spindles leads to a reduction in stresses on components and a longer more reliable life. The use of heavier duty motors and thicker walled plastic body components also add to the durability factors in a professional body.

Finally, if you are going to compare the Dynax 9 to any Nikon models it should be to the professional series bodies such as the F5 or F4, not to the semi professional or advanced amateur level bodies like the F100 of F90 series of bodies.