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    Quote Originally Posted by club_de_oldman
    WAH SEH S$600.00 only...
    There's a reserved price. Believe it's more than $1K. Most people won't bid when there's a reserved price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LifeWorld
    There's a reserved price. Believe it's more than $1K. Most people won't bid when there's a reserved price.
    He says that he is considering 2 offers at $850/-. Offer a little moreand walla..... it's yours!!

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    I'm seriously considering the Minolta A2 after looking at the samples produced by the FZ20...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulpix0r
    I'm seriously considering the Minolta A2 after looking at the samples produced by the FZ20...
    Why not A3 then,,since the A3 have IS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lightning69
    Why not A3 then,,since the A3 have IS.
    err A1 and A2 does have anti-shake (AS) too (if that's what you mean by IS)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulpix0r
    I'm seriously considering the Minolta A2 after looking at the samples produced by the FZ20...
    Are the images from FZ20 that bad? Initially when I found that they had added 1 more megapixel on the 4MP CCD, I thought that this would spell trouble for the FZ20. It seems like the nightmare is coming to live. I will stick to my Minolta Z3 until I get to try the actual camera.

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    So far there's no decent review on it. Most who said bad are non owner.
    Will reconsider if it's really bad.

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    http://www.steves-digicams.com/2004_reviews/z3_pg5.html
    http://www.steves-digicams.com/2003_.../fz10_pg5.html

    check out the review here for both cameras..

    Z3 and FZ10 (panasonic)

    So far no sample pics from FZ20.
    Suppose its a improvement on quality from FZ20.

    From the two cam samples, FZ10 seem to top up..

    I just checked, today FZ20 official launch, next week out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bwilly
    http://www.steves-digicams.com/2004_reviews/z3_pg5.html
    http://www.steves-digicams.com/2003_.../fz10_pg5.html

    check out the review here for both cameras..

    Z3 and FZ10 (panasonic)

    So far no sample pics from FZ20.
    Suppose its a improvement on quality from FZ20.

    From the two cam samples, FZ10 seem to top up..

    I just checked, today FZ20 official launch, next week out.

    Hey bwilly,
    Where did you get the news: out next week? Launch by Panasonic SG?

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    today, the Sun newspaper(MY) 10 sept.............
    heard from chinese newspaper also got adverti...( as i don't read chi newspaper)


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    from my regular shop..
    I called them to ask..

    I should be getting the FZ20 if the price is reasonable..
    Anything below $1200-$1300..

    considering paying couple of hundreds for more 1.0megapixels, so called better technology in certain areas.

    anything higher than my budget, I go for the FZ10.
    Last edited by bwilly; 10th September 2004 at 11:58 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gernie
    today, the Sun newspaper(MY) 10 sept.............
    heard from chinese newspaper also got adverti...( as i don't read chi newspaper)

    That's Malaysia la! We are talking about SG launch.

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    Default Noise in FZ20??

    Quote Originally Posted by Vulpix0r
    I'm seriously considering the Minolta A2 after looking at the samples produced by the FZ20...
    Look at what the users have to say about the image noise in the Panasonic FZ20.

    FZ20 noisy discussion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenten
    Look at what the users have to say about the image noise in the Panasonic FZ20.

    FZ20 noisy discussion
    Note most of those who complain on noise are non owner of fz. They overlook the pros and pick on the cons.

    Quite agree with this forumer Lin. Excerpt below:
    Yes, there are noise issues under low light conditions with a number of the camera including the FZ20 and the FZ10 as well. If really low light photography is of primary importance, then either a digicam with strong firmware noise control like the Minolta A2 or the newer Canons such as the G6 have the decided edge. Better yet are the D300, D60, 10D, 20D or even the Mark II which all have much better long exposure noise control than any of the fixed lens models. On some models dark frame subtraction is used to ameliorate sensor noise and other than taking twice the shutter time to return to shot ready status (somewhat inconvenient) this works wonderfully.

    I've found that PF in my F828 is mildly annoying when shooting wide open against strong contrasting backdrops but it's something which can be fairly easily corrected in post process, and most who spend $1000 or so for the upper end prosumer cameras will post process anyway. It's much less of an issue than the majority of the forum debates would lead one to think. I believe the majority of F828 users are very happy and simply work around the problem in order to avail themselves of the many other fantastic features of the F828. There are a few who simply hate the camera because of this issue - even some who use the camera on a regular basis, but to the majority it's of relatively little importance.

    In fairness, there are many digicams with bad PF (look at some of the Canon G5 shots and some Olympus shots) and even the dSLR's are not immune, but there's no doubt that the F828 has more than "average" PF.

    Like digital noise, it's just something we must work around to get the features which are more important. FZ10 and FZ20 users all share a common desire for longer focal lengths and with that comes some compromises which we simply must accept.

    I wish there were a perfect camera which did it all, but so far I've not seen it.

    Best regards,

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    To me, I think:

    Buy the camera with the pros that suit you!
    There's no perfect camera....

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    Last edited by LifeWorld; 13th September 2004 at 11:29 AM.

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    definitely I agreed.
    with its 5megapixel, long zoom, anti-shake, quailty shots, versatile for manual focusing, one I am going for..

    listed on panasonic site its RRP for US$599.
    Reasonable. Anyone got news on the RRP price for Singapore?

    I have compare shots from Minolta Z3 to Panasonic FZ10, and recently FZ20.
    It seem the Panasonic using Lecia lens gives better and vibrate shots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bwilly
    definitely I agreed.
    with its 5megapixel, long zoom, anti-shake, quailty shots, versatile for manual focusing, one I am going for..

    listed on panasonic site its RRP for US$599.
    Reasonable. Anyone got news on the RRP price for Singapore?

    I have compare shots from Minolta Z3 to Panasonic FZ10, and recently FZ20.
    It seem the Panasonic using Lecia lens gives better and vibrate shots.
    One thing which I've noticed, lecia or carl ziess lens seem to give the color red, green and blue a more saturated or vribate look than the rest, not that I a fan of these lens but if you look carefully, the color seem to be really different.

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    Dunno should I get the sliver or the black model?
    I just checked, the price of the FZ20 slightly more X to the FZ10.
    Last edited by bwilly; 13th September 2004 at 12:34 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xpose
    One thing which I've noticed, lecia or carl ziess lens seem to give the color red, green and blue a more saturated or vribate look than the rest, not that I a fan of these lens but if you look carefully, the color seem to be really different.
    Have tried all the ultra zoom cameras (S5000, S1 IS. Z3, M410R, FZ10, FZ1, etc). So far none of them, can compare with the Panasonic FZs in terms of picture quality. Irregardlress of what they say about image noise, the pictures from the FZs are somehow more vibrant, sharp and saturated. This has definitely got something to do with the Leica Lens.

    As for image noise, it has been there all the time in all digital cameras whether it is a DSLR or a Prosumer camera. It is not that obvious unless you blow up your picture and in doing so, blow the whole noise issue out of proportion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenten

    As for image noise, it has been there all the time in all digital cameras whether it is a DSLR or a Prosumer camera. It is not that obvious unless you blow up your picture and in doing so, blow the whole noise issue out of proportion.

    I agreed. (sound familiar) hehe...
    for digital pic when show at their inital shot, noise will be quite obvious.
    When developed as prints, the noise won't show much at all.
    Unless night shots, when high ISO is needed at times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bwilly
    Dunno should I get the sliver or the black model?
    I just checked, the price of the FZ20 slightly more X to the FZ10.
    Hey, where did you check? How much is it? Panasonis SG is really very very slow!!! And I am very very very patient...........

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