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    hi there i'm shooting a friends wedding this will be my first wedding shoot

    which 2 camera setup will be the ideal?

    Im thinking one camera with on a DX body with AFS 70-200 2.8 VR and a AFS 24-70mm f/2.8G on a full frame body will this be enough to cover all shooting scenarios?

    any advice will be appreciated
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    yes, that will be a good combination

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    thanks for the quick reply photoart what about flashes would i need an off camera one? or just on camera speedlights? what flash diffusers do you guys think is best?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wasak2000 View Post
    thanks for the quick reply photoart what about flashes would i need an off camera one? or just on camera speedlights? what flash diffusers do you guys think is best?
    for flashes i would set up 2 lightstand with 2 YN560 with wireless receiver(cheapo set up) and put it aside first incase needed and pocket the transmitter , mean while i'll use speedlights to cover up the wedding cos u won't really hve time to adjust the lightstands to cover the moments except maybe on group photo session, for flash diffuser get anything that works for u, most people i saw covering wedding only use the hard cap omnibounce diffuser but i like the effect on my cloud dome more & a cloth diffuser if i'm using my 70-200, some also use whale tail...
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    Please read the existing threads about weddings. Your question pops up frequently where people think that just because they hold a DSLR suddenly they are wedding photographers. What is missing in your question (and very likely also in your thinking): the location, the amount of people, the existing lights, the expectations. Any wedding photography is 20% equipment and 80% non-camera skills: knowing the procedures, knowing which shoots are 'must have', knowing where to stand, guiding people for group shots, anticipating activities and moment that need to be captured ... Whether you need flash or not again depends on location, conditions, positioning of people... there is no generic answer. Some people do great things with simple hotshoe flash, others set up bigger equipment.
    There is no ideal camera or ideal lens. The best camera and lens is the one that you know by heart how to use and that either expresses your style or that delivers the pictures that are requested for. Keep in mind you are hired to deliver, not to go after your own fancies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Octarine View Post
    Please read the existing threads about weddings. Your question pops up frequently where people think that just because they hold a DSLR suddenly they are wedding photographers. What is missing in your question (and very likely also in your thinking): the location, the amount of people, the existing lights, the expectations. Any wedding photography is 20% equipment and 80% non-camera skills: knowing the procedures, knowing which shoots are 'must have', knowing where to stand, guiding people for group shots, anticipating activities and moment that need to be captured ... Whether you need flash or not again depends on location, conditions, positioning of people... there is no generic answer. Some people do great things with simple hotshoe flash, others set up bigger equipment.
    There is no ideal camera or ideal lens. The best camera and lens is the one that you know by heart how to use and that either expresses your style or that delivers the pictures that are requested for. Keep in mind you are hired to deliver, not to go after your own fancies.
    +1 to this.
    This is really not and attempt to slam you, just some advice over to much emphasis on equipments.
    Why bring so much when you may well fumble over them?

    If you are the only photographer, 1 camera regardless of it being DX or FX and a spare body will be fine.
    If you are an extra photographer, just bring the one camera you have.
    Preferably a fast zoom lens w/ f2.8 aperture. More DOF options, more control over shutter speed and ISO.
    Faster is not necessary as DOF is compromised at very large apertures (eg. bride is sharp, goom is not), though if this is what you have to live with, then prioritize bride over the groom
    Flash will be necessary in most cases (eg. indoors). Not so important for any whizz bang attachments if you know how to angle the flash to have directional light (more shaping).

    As such a lens like a Tamron 28-75/2.8 or 17-50/2.8 will work well enough w/o breaking the bank. You can also opt for the Sigma or 1st party equivalents if you please.
    Most importantly, know your gear well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Octarine View Post
    Please read the existing threads about weddings. Your question pops up frequently where people think that just because they hold a DSLR suddenly they are wedding photographers. What is missing in your question (and very likely also in your thinking): the location, the amount of people, the existing lights, the expectations. Any wedding photography is 20% equipment and 80% non-camera skills: knowing the procedures, knowing which shoots are 'must have', knowing where to stand, guiding people for group shots, anticipating activities and moment that need to be captured ... Whether you need flash or not again depends on location, conditions, positioning of people... there is no generic answer. Some people do great things with simple hotshoe flash, others set up bigger equipment.
    There is no ideal camera or ideal lens. The best camera and lens is the one that you know by heart how to use and that either expresses your style or that delivers the pictures that are requested for. Keep in mind you are hired to deliver, not to go after your own fancies.


    I do not presume to be a wedding photographer just because I own a DSLR... I have advised the couple that it would be best to hire a professional wedding photographer and already managed their expectations that the end product coming from a Pro will be much different and better .... yet they insisted

    so let me stop you right there... in thinking that that i am a aspiring photographer wanting to get into the wedding photography trade i am not being paid for this shoot nor do i need to be i maybe new at this but i know enough to know that there is not much financial gain in this trade.

    i posted the question in the hope that i may get of some useful technical advice from some people that have done it before and not get a condescending lecture from some know it all so for people who don't have any useful advice to give please move along, ignore this thread and find some other people you could bash...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinholecam View Post
    +1 to this.
    This is really not and attempt to slam you, just some advice over to much emphasis on equipments.
    Why bring so much when you may well fumble over them?




    If you are the only photographer, 1 camera regardless of it being DX or FX and a spare body will be fine.
    If you are an extra photographer, just bring the one camera you have.
    Preferably a fast zoom lens w/ f2.8 aperture. More DOF options, more control over shutter speed and ISO.
    Faster is not necessary as DOF is compromised at very large apertures (eg. bride is sharp, goom is not), though if this is what you have to live with, then prioritize bride over the groom
    Flash will be necessary in most cases (eg. indoors). Not so important for any whizz bang attachments if you know how to angle the flash to have directional light (more shaping).

    As such a lens like a Tamron 28-75/2.8 or 17-50/2.8 will work well enough w/o breaking the bank. You can also opt for the Sigma or 1st party equivalents if you please.
    Most importantly, know your gear well.


    +1 to this.
    This is really not and attempt to slam you, just some advice over to much emphasis on equipments.
    Why bring so much when you may well fumble over them?


    how can asking a question about which body and lens setup would be ideal to cover all possible focal requirements ( group shots , bride procession, reception shots etc) during a wedding be putting too much emphasis on equipment? only on CS where you find people (not you pinholecam at least you gave technical advice.... yes you guys know who you are... ) who have nothing much to do but just wait for some opportunity to bash people... like i have said before in other threads if you have nothing useful to add move along and ignore the thread you are not required to put in a reply...

    anyways thank you for your technical advice...
    Last edited by wasak2000; 6th May 2011 at 03:12 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wasak2000 View Post
    i posted the question in the hope that i may get of some useful technical advice from some people that have done it before and not get a condescending lecture from some know it all so for people who don't have any useful advice to give please move along, ignore this thread and find some other people you could bash...
    Let's put aside how you label my comments, if you label me "know it all so" then review your own answer. If you can bluntly push aside essential questions which will affect the technical equipment you need (and which you asked for!) then good luck. Again: search the forum for 'wedding' and you will find plenty of those previous threads, full of question about 'wedding lenses' and what not. After this reading you should be able to determine what you need, or you should be able to ask precise question. A question about 'which camera to use' .. weel, rather lacks precision.
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    I think camera equipments are subjective to each of it's own. I've attended a wedding, and the photographer engaged was using 2 Canon 5D mark II with 35L and 85L. When I asked him why he didn't use flash, he said that he didn't want to spoil the ambient. Well, true enough though. And how about the Royal Wedding ? The photographer was using 2 Canon 1ds mark III and 1d mark IV, what lens? its a 600mm f/4 and a 300mm f/2.8 and shoot from far as he, as a photographer didn't wanna be in the video capture of the wedding. Well, true enough though.

    So, equipments are certainly to each of its own.

    For me, when I attend the wedding, I give my support to my friend, and not to take the chance to expand my portfolio. I'm sure my friend who is the wedding won't feel nice about it, even though he gave the permission to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wasak2000 View Post
    +1 to this.
    This is really not and attempt to slam you, just some advice over to much emphasis on equipments.
    Why bring so much when you may well fumble over them?


    how can asking a question about which body and lens setup would be ideal to cover all possible focal requirements ( group shots , bride procession, reception shots etc) during a wedding be putting too much emphasis on equipment? only on CS where you find people (not you pinholecam at least you gave technical advice.... yes you guys know who you are... ) who have nothing much to do but just wait for some opportunity to bash people... like i have said before in other threads if you have nothing useful to add move along and ignore the thread you are not required to put in a reply...

    anyways thank you for your technical advice...
    Sorry to OT abit, I agree with you.. I remember reading 1 thread asking about, if this tripod able to hold a d7k. most of the replies are abit -.- sorry to OT =)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Octarine View Post
    Let's put aside how you label my comments, if you label me "know it all so" then review your own answer. If you can bluntly push aside essential questions which will affect the technical equipment you need (and which you asked for!) then good luck. Again: search the forum for 'wedding' and you will find plenty of those previous threads, full of question about 'wedding lenses' and what not. After this reading you should be able to determine what you need, or you should be able to ask precise question. A question about 'which camera to use' .. weel, rather lacks precision.
    the original question posed was

    "Im thinking one camera with on a DX body with AFS 70-200 2.8 VR and a AFS 24-70mm f/2.8G on a full frame body will this be enough to cover all shooting scenarios?"

    a simple yes or no with some explanation as to why would have sufficed.... there was no need for you go into a diatribe wherein you implied just because i own a DSLR i was thinking that i could be a wedding photographer

    like i said if you have nothing useful to add move along.... go get your bully fix someplace else...
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    Quote Originally Posted by wasak2000 View Post
    +1 to this.
    This is really not and attempt to slam you, just some advice over to much emphasis on equipments.
    Why bring so much when you may well fumble over them?


    how can asking a question about which body and lens setup would be ideal to cover all possible focal requirements ( group shots , bride procession, reception shots etc) during a wedding be putting too much emphasis on equipment? only on CS where you find people (not you pinholecam at least you gave technical advice.... yes you guys know who you are... ) who have nothing much to do but just wait for some opportunity to bash people... like i have said before in other threads if you have nothing useful to add move along and ignore the thread you are not required to put in a reply...

    anyways thank you for your technical advice...
    To me its just a concern as your initial post seems like you'd need to break the piggy bank and maybe burn a big hole in the wallet as well, just to help out for a friend's wedding.

    As said, most stuff should be fine with focal length like 28-75mm or 17-50 on APS-C (24-70 on FF).
    Have a wider lens up to 18mm (eg. kit 18-55mm lens) just in case you need to take group (eg. dinner table) shots (ignore if you already have a 17-50/2.8).
    Make sure to use your voice to direct the folks for a shot. (Octarine really gave some good advice regarding this)
    Else you will have ppl milling around doing their own thing.
    Reposition chairs (eg. for tea ceremony) and ppl for dinner table shot accordingly (eg. so that you have enough space to stand back and take in everyone)
    If ceiling too high to bounce flash, just shoot straight. Not at all flattering, but at least you deliver the photos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wasak2000 View Post
    the original question posed was

    "Im thinking one camera with on a DX body with AFS 70-200 2.8 VR and a AFS 24-70mm f/2.8G on a full frame body will this be enough to cover all shooting scenarios?"

    a simple yes or no with some explanation as to why would have sufficed.... there was no need for you go into a diatribe wherein you implied just because i own a DSLR i was thinking that i could be a wedding photographer

    like i said if you have nothing useful to add move along.... go get your bully fix someplace else...
    the equipment wise, YES! Is more than enough.

    I presume your only interested to know this, since you already have your answer, you can close this thread from being OT.
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    I recommend you to use Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM for wedding shoots. Canon's worthy 3-stop Image Stabilization makes the 70-200mm is one the Canonís most professionally used lenses. I have been using this since last year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyShea View Post
    I recommend you to use Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM for wedding shoots. Canon's worthy 3-stop Image Stabilization makes the 70-200mm is one the Canonís most professionally used lenses. I have been using this since last year.
    TS is using a nikon system... -.-'

    furthermore, nikon's own 70-200 also has "IS" (VR in nikon terms) n it's as great as canon's very own IS system

    as to TS, if u are going to be shooting in a large space where a telephoto lens will most likely be needed, then bring the 70-200 f/2.8 VR along. otherwise, if the area is pretty small n cramped, bring the 14-24 f/2.8 and 24-70 f/2.8 combo. my advice may be wrong tho, so take it with a pinch of salt
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    thanks catchlights...
    closing this thread before it becomes another newbie vs oldie thread

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