Who doesn't want to wear long sleeves coat and jacket to look cool? But the temperature and humidity in Singapore are very much different to the western countries. PG/VG should wear the clothes which make them comfortable when doing the shooting and should not let the clothes restrict their movement to get the best shots. Most of the time the PG has to climb up and down, squeeze here and there, bend the body and knees with heavy camera gears to get nice angle shots at outdoor and indoor. Unless the PG only takes those "Hi Cheese" shots which just stand in front of the subjects and shoot, then it is more relax. Of coz singlet, broken shirts and short/broken pants are no no.
I think most importantly the end results(photos/videos) delivered to the clients must be good to excellent. If only given the below choices,
a) excellent photos/videos but PG/VG wear decent polo+jeans only
b) decent photos/videos but PG/VG wear formal like a president going to give speech
which one would you hire?
I will not become another Samantha in that Holland V case. Our clients are what we can be and have achieved today.
Last edited by 2100; 7th May 2011 at 08:46 AM.
another sign of such RUDE guests are during table group photos taking, reluctant to cooperate, they DO NOT UNDERSTAND that photo taking is NOT for the photographers, it is the wedding couple and their parents showing respect to the guests, thanking them for cerebrating their wedding together by attending the wedding dinner, the wedding couple and parents wish to take a photo with them for memento.
is it JUST a simple request asking them to move a little or standing at the second row, not cutting a piece of flesh from their butt, why is that so difficult to comply?
When shooting wedding, please lah at least carry a Kelly Moore Camera Bag to match the occasion.
Andriod not so much leh...
BTW, I did not see this phenomenon in Taiwan (they also have less iphone penetration). My wife's Taipei-nese taokay, when my family and in-laws all there, just whacked them upside down when they even continued to speak on the phone during dinner.....forget about iphone games. What I learnt is that most are pretty "conservative", as in dinner must call out each other to "eat" and greet etc...... Manners + jia jiao.
Over here, anything goes man.....
Last edited by 2100; 7th May 2011 at 06:22 PM.
Guys, I think this is big OT already and I don't see the point of bitching about clients or guest of your clients. This reflect poorly on photographer as well if we start doing this.
Sometimes, What I feel is, Chinese Wedding, most of the guest that attend simply don't know the couple. It is mostly mom's or dad's friends... who really see no point of attending. Friends of couple and relative, generally make up about 10-20% of the whole banquet, and that makes 80% of people just someone they know.
In Western part of the world, if you are invited, generally, you are close friends or relative of the couple so everyone seems to know everyone in the room and their reception tend to be "smaller" in size but more intimate.
When one get invited, you will bring just yourself or partner, not the rest of troops....
It makes economical sense to invite as many people in this part of the world as I am surprise, there is a "market" rate for the "ang pao".
I am Asian, but really see no point on having 500 guest but only know 100 of them personally. Our wedding was about 100 people (for both sides of families) and I think most people who come do care so I don't see any of them behaving badly nor dress sloppily.
Will have to look at things from the other side as well and I don't see the point of people starting to bitch about the guest. After all, the TS mentioned about the photographer's attire... so what is guest has to do with photographer who dress sloppily?
This is an open forum, you may want to think about what you write.
just treat it as if you are one of the invited guests, but the family have asked you to help them take photos, so dress up like a guest, formally.. some renowned wedding PG from overseas make it a point to bring two sets of tux.. but they do admit that for outdoor shoots, sometimes they loosen up a bit.. but not for ball receptions..
So don't be angry.
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Last edited by sjackal; 8th May 2011 at 10:35 AM.
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i think for outings and stuff, polo (or a nice Tshirts), decent pair of jeans/bermudas and at least sandals are ok.. but home clothes?
again, this is regarding wedding photogs in the wedding itself.. i was saying that if you have a job to cover wedding, then be nicely and properly dressed, being the photographer doesn't give you the excuse not to dress/behave properly..
but there are occasions when the photog can loosen up a bit, for example during garden reception (outdoor) when the guests are loosening up as well..
some reasons why photogs don't want to dress up is because it's Singapore with its heat.. hello, ballroom got aircon, right?
at least wear a neatly ironed shirt, business pants, nice pair of leather shoes and if you want, can wear vest.. people will know you are the photog, but you will still respect the occasion..
even the steel-balled-sometimes-rude Bruce Gilden wears suit to a ball party:
i think :
for top : as long is dark colour or black t- shirt polo t is ok
for bottom : must be dark colour pants or jeans
Shorts and flip flop are a no no
I think we are discussing on those 9am-3pm outdoor weddings where it's >30degrees. Is long pants and shirts still a minimum?
This is especially relevant this couple of months. The weather is crazy.
Anyways, I just shot an ROM today in the noon (outdoors) of around 34degrees + no wind. For a change, i wore shirt and dark jeans instead of my usual polo & berms (for outdoor noon shoots)
After that i was sweating like a pig and my shirt became transparent & everyone was so concern because my glasses dripped with sweat and i looked like i've dropped into the swimming pool behind the solemnization table. It was uncomfortable and i felt that I might have reduce my usual quality from uneasiness of my dripping sweat.
The good thing was that everyone was so concern that they stop to give me a break and one aunt went to buy 100plus for me without asking.
I might try again but maybe with a loose shirt & cargo pants (cause today I wore fitting shirt & fitting jeans).
I would bring a few changes and one key is to minimize the equipment that you carry with you. I generally with shoot with one camera and one lens set up without camera strap and the rest on the rolling case.
Walk and don't run. Plan your shoot...
It's hot but manageable.
For me it's a minimum of Polo Tee. Usually jeans as I tend to kneel down and shoot, so for practical reasons, jeans. Boots (don't ask, it's been a habit of mine and I've been wearing it for 5 years plus for almost everything). More formal - Long sleeved shirt, but sleeves folded up. Never worn a tie with it before.
I usually can judge the dress code when I meet the couple for the first time, isn't too difficult.
For employees (main photographer, assistants, PA) simple. Company polo-tee and Nikon vest. If too many employees on scene, then company polo-tee only.
Sounds like the SAF. I'll summarise.
No. 1 Uniform: Jacket+Long Sleeved+Tie / Dress
No. 2 Uniform: -NA-
No. 3 Uniform: Long Sleeved+Nikon Vest
No. 4 Uniform: Company Polo-Tee+Nikon Vest
Exceptions: Principal Photographer and Main Photographer wears what he/she wants. When Principal Photographer AND Main Photographer are around, main photographer will conform wear what he/she wants WITH ADDITION OF NIKON VEST.
wearing shirt and pants is definitely overboard, and definitely would not allow u to shoot at ur max potential, and you definitely wont be able to delivery quality goods.
just imagine urself slinging 1 x 1series canon+580exii+24-70 and another 1x1series canon+580exii+70-200. then u still need to carry your main photo bag which has all the misc stuffs and especially the spare AA batteries which are very heavy when u are carrying 12spares, in addition to the 8 in two of ur flashes = total 20 AA batteries.
When u are carrying such loads to shoot a wedding, you are gona sweat totally to the extent that ur whole shirt is transparent. This is ultra total unglam and super ugly. I have covered wedding in shirt and pants WITH TIE!! and slinging 2 cameras, and trust me, its dam uncomfortable and the clothing is totally restricting your movements with such loads.
wearing a t-shirt and berms with covered shoes should be the proper manner. at least i can be sure to deliver my goods. gatecrashing shoots wearing polo-T and jeans is no joke, its too humid and hot. t-shirt and berms is the offical attire so there is no such thing as not respecting the bride and groom. you are not respecting the clients and not doing ur job if what u are wearing is obstructing u from delivering all that u could!
Perhaps maybe on the dinner itself, then wear polo and jeans since there is aircon.
Last edited by devilry; 3rd July 2011 at 04:28 PM.
To me, this discussion about dress code is a bit redundant. In any office job we have to comply to the general dress code of the company which is 'business shirt and pants' when doing customer business face to face. Discussing pros and cons is useless, we present the company and we have to do this in our best way according the contract and company guidelines to get our salary. When working freelance, where is the difference? Why do people think that suddenly they can afford to slack in dress code and attention to their clients when the impact to the payment is even more direct. If a hired photographer would come to my wedding in jeans and t-shirt he can go immediately, either to change or to get lost.
The waiters in the restaurant serving food and drinks have a far more stressful job and still they wear their uniform, why do photographers need to discuss this point?
Also remember, the groom and his buddies might be doing pushups in wedding suit, so where comes the excuse?
Last edited by sjackal; 4th July 2011 at 01:52 AM.
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