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Thread: Purchasing gray market lenses

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    Default Purchasing gray market lenses

    I am in the market for a Nikkor 70-200 VR. Recently there was a post in the marketplace for a pretty bunch of Nikkor & Canon items. The price is generally a little cheaper. About 10% less. E.g. I would save about $200 on the 70-200 VR. (Retail is about $2850, offer in marketplace is $2650)

    I don't have any expereince with professional grade lenses. Are lemons out of the box common? Is it a big risk to take for the 10% discount? I understand these lenses go into war zones, highest mountains and the deepest seas. Probably survive them all too.

    What is your take on gray market items? Your dry cabinet is filled with them? Or do you feel it's silly to be penny wise pound foolish?

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    All second hand mint or grey brand new. Depends on the brand in question, the price difference can be quite substantial. I use Contax a lot because of the lenses, but I have never bought a single Contax item from any shop in Singapore, not even grey as the prices in other places such as Hong Kong for international warranty valid items are far cheaper.

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    I bought my Nikon F100 in the so-called "grey" market. It has been 5 years now and I never have any problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bernards
    I am in the market for a Nikkor 70-200 VR. Recently there was a post in the marketplace for a pretty bunch of Nikkor & Canon items. The price is generally a little cheaper. About 10% less. E.g. I would save about $200 on the 70-200 VR. (Retail is about $2850, offer in marketplace is $2650)

    I don't have any expereince with professional grade lenses. Are lemons out of the box common? Is it a big risk to take for the 10% discount? I understand these lenses go into war zones, highest mountains and the deepest seas. Probably survive them all too.

    What is your take on gray market items? Your dry cabinet is filled with them? Or do you feel it's silly to be penny wise pound foolish?
    May I know where can you buy the 70-200 VR at $2,850? Last enquired from CP and Max Photo are $3,200 and $3,150 (inclusive of GST).

    Drop me a PM if you are not comfortable to reveal the place here.

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    Grey market goods are simply goods meant to be sold in some other markets other than your own, so quality wise, it's exactly the same. It's whether you want to take the risk of getting a lemon out of the box.

    That being said, I generally find Nikon stuff to be highly reliable. Most of my gear are second hand, and I have no problem with them whatsoever so far, thus buying grey might be a good option if you want to cut costs.

    Personally however, if I have the money to go for big ticket items like the 70-200 VR, I would try to get one new and non-grey. A VR lens incorporate more electronics than normal lenses, and is a risk I'm reluctant to take, especially when I'm already shelling out so much in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justarius
    Grey market goods are simply goods meant to be sold in some other markets other than your own, so quality wise, it's exactly the same. It's whether you want to take the risk of getting a lemon out of the box.

    That being said, I generally find Nikon stuff to be highly reliable. Most of my gear are second hand, and I have no problem with them whatsoever so far, thus buying grey might be a good option if you want to cut costs.

    Personally however, if I have the money to go for big ticket items like the 70-200 VR, I would try to get one new and non-grey. A VR lens incorporate more electronics than normal lenses, and is a risk I'm reluctant to take, especially when I'm already shelling out so much in the first place.
    I agree. If I'm buying say a AF-D lens, then it is quite alright to me as it is mechanical and without warranty, it is acceptable risk (to me). With the VR, I would rather not take the chance. Those greys without warranty, well, just be careful.

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    my thoughts

    if the grey offers 7 days 1 to 1 exchange, by all means get it. Else, it is advisable to get from a shop. One trip to the service center can set you back at least 80 bucks excluding parts

    I have yet to send any of my items to the repair center as a result of lemon. That is partly because I choose the best of the lot from the shop or ensure that the unit does not appear to have any defects.

    The greys via MO is usually from abroad and the 121 exchange may be a hassle. Many here has purchased such grey units are enjoying the cost savings. I have yet to hear a problematic grey unit (if you buy from the regular MO starters here).

    For full mechanical items, go for the savings. For digital/specialised mechanical items (VR,IS,AS), I prefer the "insurance".

    Caveat: your mileage may differ.

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    10% saving? Not worth the risk. If 20~30% saving, then will buy grey (no warranty). Deal as if buying 2nd hand.
    DR KOH KHO KING

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    Actually depends on how much you save off the lenses. The repair costs normally is about 10% of the len price.

    So to justify a grey set's price, it should be at least 10% lesser (10% of RRP, not SP) than warrantied set. The 10% will be able to cover at least 1-2 visits if required.

    For grey sets, they're just normal lenses sold on any ordinary shelves, the only difference is that when upon exporting, their warranty cards are removed. And for the trinities (my def: AF-S 17-35, AF-S 28-70, AF-S 70/80-200) are built to last, and at that kind of price, the quality and control should be substantial as well.

    If you can find a new set at below the market price and still have warranty, GRAB LIAO LOR!

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    Try this :

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...833915484&rd=1

    GBP 825.00

    Nikon AF-S 70-200mm F2.8 VR G Brand New

    This is Nikon AF-S 70-200mm F2.8 VR G Brand New. Come with softcase. We provide three years Mack warranty on this lens.

    Shipping Charges : GBP 28.00

    1 GBP = 3.07613 SGD Currently.

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    i didnt know that nikon has white color barrels?

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    There are a few super teles avaliable in light gray.

    AF-S 300mm F2.8D

    AF-S VR 70-200 F2.8G

    AF-S 400mm f2.8D

    AF-S 500mm f4D

    AF-S 600mm f4D

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerpalz
    i didnt know that nikon has white color barrels?

    As far as I know of, they are :

    Afs 28-70f2.8
    Afs 70-200f2.8
    Afs 300f4
    Afs 300f2.8
    Afs 400f2.8
    Afs 500f4
    Afs 600f4

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    Quote Originally Posted by bernards
    I am in the market for a Nikkor 70-200 VR. Recently there was a post in the marketplace for a pretty bunch of Nikkor & Canon items. The price is generally a little cheaper. About 10% less. E.g. I would save about $200 on the 70-200 VR. (Retail is about $2850, offer in marketplace is $2650)

    I don't have any expereince with professional grade lenses. Are lemons out of the box common? Is it a big risk to take for the 10% discount? I understand these lenses go into war zones, highest mountains and the deepest seas. Probably survive them all too.

    What is your take on gray market items? Your dry cabinet is filled with them? Or do you feel it's silly to be penny wise pound foolish?
    If you are soooo rich to spend a few thousand on a lens, what is a few hundred dollar saving to you.
    The few hundred dollar can save you the trouble if you ever need to to repair it.

    Just my 2 cent worth.
    Nikon D5000, D70; Nikon 18-55, 18-70, 70-300; Sigma 18-250, 50-500.

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    Hi coldman, it's not a matter of rich or not. It's spending your money wisely, maximizing it's worth.

    Unless time and convenience is rated higher. Even the filthy rich will want to maximize their dollars. If they don't. It's unlikely they earned that money and probably won't have the dollars long enough to learn a thing or two about spending.

    I take it as you don't feel it's worth the risk to buy grey market?

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    Personally, I'd rather get my lenses new, with warranty. The savings to be had from buying grey lenses will mean nothing should you find the lens defective in any way and have to spend the time and $ returning/exchanging it. However, I do agree that for AF-D lenses, I might be tempted to get them grey, but items such as flashes or VR/IS lenses is a big no-no.

    Then again, being a Malaysian who goes back to KL often enough, I can usually get lenses and such brand new and with international warranty than you could get a grey set here in Singapore

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    Hi Gymrat,

    Can you tell us the shops name in KL that sells new with warranty at good prices? I may go there :-)

    Hong Sien

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