Canon EOS-20D Preview is out!!!

Wai · 20th August 2004

You have seen the pics of the camera, here are the specifications:

Improvement that I like...

0.2 sec startup time vs 10D 2.5 sec

65ms shutter lag, 115ms mirror blackout time (1D has shutter lag of 55ms and mirror blackout of 87ms. For 10D, they are 190ms and 240ms respectively)

5 fps @ 23 frames* (jpeg) vs 3fps @ 9 frames on 10D
* Up to 44 frames when using Sandisk Extreme CF)

Robgalbraith tested that the CF write speed for 20D with Sandisk Extreme can be as high as 5.636MB/s, that's faster than D2h (5.088MB/s) & 1D MKII (<4MB/s)

Faster X-sync shutter speed - up to 1/250 sec

Black & White mode - can customise color filter and toning

USB 2.0 - Great for Zod, who want to use remote capture

New BG-E2 battery grip - includes a six AA battery magazine

(how i wish 1D has that!!)

New Li battery, BP-514 supplies 10.3Wh vs BP-511's 8.1Wh (With Digic II, battery life will be even longer)

Multi-controller 'joystick' - nine-way joystick for panning during playback, AF/WB selection, now you can chimp faster than ever

9 AF pts - definitely faster than 10D, -0.5EV sensitivity, compare to 10D's 0.5EV

new Precision Matte focusing screen, better than 10D

Smaller than 10D by 6 x 2 x 3 mm and lighter by 105g

Street price - US$1500, cheaper than 10D and only 1/3 of MKII (US$4500) !! I really wonder how Canon able to do that.

More preview:
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/canoneos20d
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/re...0d-part1.shtml
http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/mul...id=7-6458-7153

Wai · 20th August 2004

New Canon Speedlite 580EX

Improvement:

Smaller, lighter, more powerful (GN58)

Zoom linked to sensor sizes* (takes into account the FOV crop caused by a D-SLR sensor)
AWB switched to flash WB* (causes the camera to switch to flash WB in certain circumstances).

*These features only works with EOS 20D, EOS-1D Mark II (firmware update necessary) or later camera models

Nice, the +/- button is replaced by a dial similar to the cam body

New battery pack CP-E3, battery life increase by 20%, recycling time reduce by 25% compare to CP-E2. Also, a speedlite bracket SB-E1.

More details can be found at Canon webpage
http://web.canon.jp/Imaging/eos20d/580EX/index.html

Quote from Canon Press Release

Quote:

Canon's new Speedlite 580EX flash and Compact Battery Pack CP-E3 will be available in October for estimated selling prices of $479* and $220*, respectively.

Wai · 20th August 2004

Sample from Canon Japan
http://www.canon.co.jp/Imaging/eos20..._sample-e.html

Link to Canon offical webpage
http://web.canon.jp/Imaging/eos20d

Specification
http://web.canon.jp/Imaging/eos20d/specifications.html

Other new products includes Powershot G6, S70, A95, A400 and two lenses - EF-S 17-85mm F4-5.6 IS USM and the EF-S 10-22mm F3.5-4.5 USM

jeff49er · 20th August 2004

Thanks Wai

You have made my Fri morning wonderful

Amfibius · 20th August 2004

More news ... Michael Reichmann previews the 20D in the Luminous Landscape. Link here.

Amfibius · 20th August 2004

... and another preview on Rob Galbraith.

chaotic · 20th August 2004

haha the cat is out of the bag finally officially...

the improvements look really impressive.

erwinx · 20th August 2004

Very solid specs and costs less than 10D.The 20D looks like a solid backup camera for Pros using 1-series.

CP-E3 is interesting, with more power, seems like less of a need for 3rd party battery packs...

I think every D60/D30 user should be upgrading

chaotic · 20th August 2004

0.2s startup time from sleep and off mode..!!!OMG!

finally they close up that gap between N and C DSLRs

Wai · 20th August 2004

Originally Posted by Amfibius

More news ... Michael Reichmann previews the 20D in the Luminous Landscape. Link here.

Something interesting...

23 frames buffer from spec. but able to shoot 44 frames (Large jpeg) in a row with Sandisk Extreme CF

however RAW only 6 frames, less than 10D?

Also, a wireless photo transmitter for the 20D and EOS-1D Mark II is planned, is expected to connect through the USB 2.0 port on the EOS 20D.

Sounds familiar? The N brand has that too

limhousen · 20th August 2004

The 20D seems like a major upgrade to the current 10D. Not just an evolutionary improvement as most on clubsnap has predicted. I believe this camera defines Canon's confirmation of how it has decided to segment the DSLR market. The mount configuration has also finally been decided (apparently up to mid range DSLR for EF-S mount). The EF-S lens classification is similar to the current EF mount with plasticky low end plastic mount and mid range gold ring USM metal mount versions.

With the vast improvement in large file handling, I can see all 1D series aligning to full frame in the near future, even sports models. A new semi-pro range will fill the 1.3X gap vacated by the 1D sports series.

Canon has programmed 1.6X and 1.3X crop into their latest Speedlite 580EX. I guess these 2 CCD formats are here to stay.

I predict the following classification:

Amateur class (1.6X, consumer EF-S) - eg. 300D US$1,000
Serious amateur (1.6X, mid range EF-S) - eg 20D US$1,500
Semi-Pro (1.3X, EF) - yet to be announced US$2,500
Pro (no crop, EF) - Future 1DS and 1D MKIII US$4,500

Just a prediction. The low to mid range system has finally stabilised enough that we can know what to expect. It remains to be seen what the semi-pro series will bring.

Wai · 20th August 2004

I really wonder if the price is wrong. U can get 3 sets of 20D at the price of MKII, and what you miss out are 45pts AF, 8.5fps, 1.3x FLM, better built (weather seal) and better WB.

However with 20D you will get faster write speed, AA battery pack, 9-ways joystick, smaller & lighter body.

nightpiper · 20th August 2004

hi there, is there any mention about an improvement of dynamic range of the CCD? increase in DR would be nice, not just the resolution.

i estimate the retail price of 20D to be somewhat at S$2200. current price for 10D is S$2460, checked 2 weeks ago at MS colour.

Virgo · 20th August 2004

The question sure to spark is from 10D users if they should upgrade, if $$$ is not a problem. Seems that quite a few major changes over the 10D, if you happen to read the preview pages in dpreview.com. If $$$ not problem, should upgrade and keep 10D as backup.

I have $$$ problem, so sure no upgrade for the time being.

ScoobaKev · 20th August 2004

I dunno abt the retail price, but it looks certain that with the up in features from 10D, there will also be a reduction in the retail price in Singapore.

Review on DPreview covers everything..... looks like we'll see plenty of upgraders soon.

ptwong · 20th August 2004

Originally Posted by nightpiper

hi there, is there any mention about an improvement of dynamic range of the CCD? increase in DR would be nice, not just the resolution.

i estimate the retail price of 20D to be somewhat at S$2200. current price for 10D is S$2460, checked 2 weeks ago at MS colour.

that's pretty cheap for 10D!! wonder what is the current sellers of 10D know that or better still, does the buyer for the 2ndhand 10D knows that...

Wai · 20th August 2004

Originally Posted by ScoobaKev

Review on DPreview covers everything..... looks like we'll see plenty of upgraders soon.

well...not really, still waiting to see more photo sample

such as comparison of noise level, colour, WB, AF speed...etc

ScoobaKev · 20th August 2004

Wai, agree with you. The 3 samples posted on the official Canon website is probably insufficient to reach a definite conclusion on the improvements in noise level, WB etc.

Belle&Sebastain · 20th August 2004

the flash looks interesting!

they should have make the flash usable for the older models as well, right? is that another marketing tactic to dump the olders cameras?

Belle&Sebastain · 20th August 2004

US$1500 = Sing$2564.85 retail price? wow!

20th August 2004	#1
Wai Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: South Pole with Penguin Posts: 5,185	Canon EOS-20D Preview is out!!! You have seen the pics of the camera, here are the specifications: Improvement that I like... 0.2 sec startup time vs 10D 2.5 sec 65ms shutter lag, 115ms mirror blackout time (1D has shutter lag of 55ms and mirror blackout of 87ms. For 10D, they are 190ms and 240ms respectively) *5 fps @ 23 frames (jpeg)** vs 3fps @ 9 frames on 10D * Up to 44 frames when using Sandisk Extreme CF) Robgalbraith tested that the CF write speed for 20D with Sandisk Extreme can be as high as 5.636MB/s, that's faster than D2h (5.088MB/s) & 1D MKII (<4MB/s) Faster X-sync shutter speed - up to 1/250 sec Black & White mode - can customise color filter and toning USB 2.0 - Great for Zod, who want to use remote capture New BG-E2 battery grip - includes a six AA battery magazine (how i wish 1D has that!!) New Li battery, BP-514 supplies 10.3Wh vs BP-511's 8.1Wh (With Digic II, battery life will be even longer) Multi-controller 'joystick' - nine-way joystick for panning during playback, AF/WB selection, now you can chimp faster than ever 9 AF pts - definitely faster than 10D, -0.5EV sensitivity, compare to 10D's 0.5EV new Precision Matte focusing screen, better than 10D Smaller than 10D by 6 x 2 x 3 mm and lighter by 105g Street price - US$1500, cheaper than 10D and only 1/3 of MKII (US$4500) !! I really wonder how Canon able to do that. More preview: http://www.dpreview.com/articles/canoneos20d http://www.luminous-landscape.com/re...0d-part1.shtml http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/mul...id=7-6458-7153 Last edited by Wai; 20th August 2004 at 11:33 AM.

20th August 2004	#3
Wai Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: South Pole with Penguin Posts: 5,185	Sample from Canon Japan http://www.canon.co.jp/Imaging/eos20..._sample-e.html Link to Canon offical webpage http://web.canon.jp/Imaging/eos20d Specification http://web.canon.jp/Imaging/eos20d/specifications.html Other new products includes Powershot G6, S70, A95, A400 and two lenses - EF-S 17-85mm F4-5.6 IS USM and the EF-S 10-22mm F3.5-4.5 USM Last edited by Wai; 20th August 2004 at 06:17 AM.

20th August 2004	#14
Virgo Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: West of Singapore Posts: 4,599	The question sure to spark is from 10D users if they should upgrade, if $$$ is not a problem. Seems that quite a few major changes over the 10D, if you happen to read the preview pages in dpreview.com. If $$$ not problem, should upgrade and keep 10D as backup. I have $$$ problem, so sure no upgrade for the time being. __________________ Kind Regards My Picture Website

20th August 2004	#4
jeff49er Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Punggol Park Posts: 2,021	Thanks Wai You have made my Fri morning wonderful

20th August 2004	#5
Amfibius Deregistered Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perth Posts: 517	More news ... Michael Reichmann previews the 20D in the Luminous Landscape. Link here.

20th August 2004	#7
chaotic Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 738	haha the cat is out of the bag finally officially... the improvements look really impressive.

20th August 2004	#8
erwinx Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,492	Very solid specs and costs less than 10D.The 20D looks like a solid backup camera for Pros using 1-series. CP-E3 is interesting, with more power, seems like less of a need for 3rd party battery packs... I think every D60/D30 user should be upgrading

20th August 2004	#11
limhousen Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 281	The 20D seems like a major upgrade to the current 10D. Not just an evolutionary improvement as most on clubsnap has predicted. I believe this camera defines Canon's confirmation of how it has decided to segment the DSLR market. The mount configuration has also finally been decided (apparently up to mid range DSLR for EF-S mount). The EF-S lens classification is similar to the current EF mount with plasticky low end plastic mount and mid range gold ring USM metal mount versions. With the vast improvement in large file handling, I can see all 1D series aligning to full frame in the near future, even sports models. A new semi-pro range will fill the 1.3X gap vacated by the 1D sports series. Canon has programmed 1.6X and 1.3X crop into their latest Speedlite 580EX. I guess these 2 CCD formats are here to stay. I predict the following classification: Amateur class (1.6X, consumer EF-S) - eg. 300D US$1,000 Serious amateur (1.6X, mid range EF-S) - eg 20D US$1,500 Semi-Pro (1.3X, EF) - yet to be announced US$2,500 Pro (no crop, EF) - Future 1DS and 1D MKIII US$4,500 Just a prediction. The low to mid range system has finally stabilised enough that we can know what to expect. It remains to be seen what the semi-pro series will bring.

20th August 2004	#13
nightpiper Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,840	hi there, is there any mention about an improvement of dynamic range of the CCD? increase in DR would be nice, not just the resolution. i estimate the retail price of 20D to be somewhat at S$2200. current price for 10D is S$2460, checked 2 weeks ago at MS colour.

20th August 2004	#15
ScoobaKev Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pasir Ris Posts: 863	I dunno abt the retail price, but it looks certain that with the up in features from 10D, there will also be a reduction in the retail price in Singapore. Review on DPreview covers everything..... looks like we'll see plenty of upgraders soon.

20th August 2004	#19
Belle&Sebastain Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: here Posts: 3,757	the flash looks interesting! they should have make the flash usable for the older models as well, right? is that another marketing tactic to dump the olders cameras?