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    Quote Originally Posted by akerue

    would u go up to these local so called wild monkeys with ya 24.. heheheh.. plus i know he got the 70-200... so more logic... hahahahah
    LoL, but this was taken when I had bunch of lens..

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    Below photos are all taken at F1.4. The DOF is good enough to make the subject pop with cinematic feel. Sometimes I do stop down a little to shoot if I really want more DOF, but it rarely happen, because when I first bought the F1.4 lenses, I shot at f2.2, f3.5, etc, but I don't really like these many DOF effect. If I were to shoot at f4, f5.6, f8 always, I would rather buy a cheap and versatile kit lens like 18-105mm f3.5-5.6. This is just my preference and shooting style though.
    And yes, with these F1.4 lenses, I have the options to stop down. But with other zoom lenses, kit lenses and older prime lenses, I don't have that option to go to F1.4. This also one of the important variables that you need to consider when you buy a lens.
    Sometimes precious moments happen under low light situation(especially during wedding dinner/events) and even ISO2000 is not enough. And you don't want to see many noises on the subject's face and you don't want to lose too many details and sharpness when you do the noise reduction. That's when the F1.4 G prime lens come into play.

    35mm, ISO1600, 1/125s


    85mm, ISO100, 1/800s


    85mm, ISO400, 1/1250s


    85mm, ISO800, 1/60s


    85mm, ISO125, 1/1250s
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    a few more examples taken at F1.4:

    35mm, ISO800, 1/30s


    35mm, ISO800, 1/200s


    35mm, ISO400, 1/400s


    35mm, ISO400, 1/125s


    35mm, ISO250, 1/80s
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    so in the end honestly u saying buying a 1.4 lens and stopping it down, its a waste of money..???

    that to pop out a subject or to give that ample isolation depends on the 1.4 solely, and theres no other way... do enlighten me...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kentwong81
    Below photos are all taken at F1.4. The DOF is good enough to make the subject pop with cinematic feel. Sometimes I do stop down a little to shoot if I really want more DOF, but it rarely happen, because when I first bought the F1.4 lenses, I shot at f2.2, f3.5, etc, but I don't really like these many DOF effect. If I were to shoot at f4, f5.6, f8 always, I would rather buy a cheap and versatile kit lens like 18-105mm f3.5-5.6. This is just my preference and shooting style though.
    And yes, with these F1.4 lenses, I have the options to stop down. But with other zoom lenses, kit lenses and older prime lenses, I don't have that option to go to F1.4. This also one of the important variables that you need to consider when you buy a lens.
    Sometimes precious moments happen under low light situation(especially during wedding dinner/events) and even ISO2000 is not enough. And you don't want to see many noises on the subject's face and you don't want to lose too many details and sharpness when you do the noise reduction. That's when the F1.4 G prime lens come into play.

    35mm, ISO1600, 1/125s

    85mm, ISO100, 1/800s

    85mm, ISO400, 1/1250s

    85mm, ISO800, 1/60s

    85mm, ISO125, 1/1250s
    Actually, many of your shots could be very much improved if you put more thought into your composition rather than just depending on wide aperture. For a start, why don't you start to try to shoot much closer. That is what a 24 or 35 prime allow you to do and to do very well.

    That said, I do see quite a bit improvement compared to your shots a couple of months back. Well done. Continue to work harder on improving your skills. You will get there one day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daredevil123 View Post
    Actually, many of your shots could be very much improved if you put more thought into your composition rather than just depending on wide aperture. For a start, why don't you start to try to shoot much closer. That is what a 24 or 35 prime allow you to do and to do very well.

    That said, I do see quite a bit improvement compared to your shots a couple of months back. Well done. Continue to work harder on improving your skills. You will get there one day.
    Thanks. There's a lot of things to learn in photography and I'm learning everyday despite I have my own full-time job.
    Those shots were done by the 85mm prime except the 1st one which is 35mm prime. Most of the times when I used the 35mm prime on the street and walked closer to shoot, those people will notice my appearance and they will shy away, then the moment will be gone. That's why I used the 85mm. Most important is to capture the split-second moment first. Of coz 70-200 zoom can do much better job to shoot like a paparazzi hiding in a corner but I think it's too heavy and bulky as a walk around lens for street photography for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by akerue View Post
    so in the end honestly u saying buying a 1.4 lens and stopping it down, its a waste of money..???

    that to pop out a subject or to give that ample isolation depends on the 1.4 solely, and theres no other way... do enlighten me...
    It's not waste money. With a F1.4 lens, yo have the option to go from f1.4, 1.6, 1.8, 2.0, 2.8 to f16. These wide spread of apertures can give you the convenience to pick the aperture you desire for different situations. This kind of "convenient" is money. But for older prime lens, FX zoom lens or kit lens, the smallest aperture you can start from is f2.8. Some kit lens even worse, which only start from f5.6 for some focal lengths.
    Regarding subject isolation, it depend on your personal taste. Some people prefer to use tele like 70-200, 135DC, 50mm, etc. Depend on the situation and space availability you have, you can choose the approriate focal length to work with, then select the aperture you prefer. For me, I will always pick the widest aperture. But for some people, they say wide open is pretty boring for them, so they stop down a little or even go to f5.6. Some professional wedding photographers they prefer to use f1.6 or f1.8 for their 24mm, 35mm or 50mm f1.4 prime.
    It also depend on the lenses' strength. Some older prime lens like 35mm f1.4 Ais, 50mm f1.4 AFD are not as good resolution and accurate focusing as the new G prime at wide open f1.4. So if I use these lenses, I will stop down a little bit to get the acceptable resolution I desire. It really depend on your taste and requirement.

    Like the following shots taken from Nikon website, some people may think that these shots can be improved the DOF and sharpness if stop down to f2.8 or even f4.0. But for me, I think these pictures are already awesome at f2.0 with such buttery smooth background and cinematic feel, so I will stick to f2.0 wide open if I use the 200mm prime.

    Shot by the 200mm prime at f2.0 wide open, 1/8000s (taken from Nikon website)


    Shot by the 200mm prime at f2.0 wide open, 1/3200s (taken from Nikon website)



    Shot by the 200mm prime at f2.0 wide open, 1/1000s (taken from Nikon website)



    Shot by the 200mm prime at f2.0 wide open, 1/200s (taken from Nikon website)
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    now i do have the understanding, im sorry but some of ya post, u came across as the only way to shoot is only wide open, that is why i ask, and yes every shoot assignment walkabout is a learning journey til date im still learning....

    cheers mate...
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    Quote Originally Posted by akerue View Post
    now i do have the understanding, im sorry but some of ya post, u came across as the only way to shoot is only wide open, that is why i ask, and yes every shoot assignment walkabout is a learning journey til date im still learning....

    cheers mate...
    No problem bro. Sometimes it's not easy to convey my message here. It's good if we can meet up some day and have a sharing session of what we know and our lenses too.
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    Glad all had been cleared out.
    Coz I know both of you

    BTW... Nice Shots! :P

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    @daredevil - kena poisoned by you in the end. Just swopped my Nikkor 24/2.8D for a Sigma 24/1.8 Macro. Damn, it's GOOD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghoonk
    @daredevil - kena poisoned by you in the end. Just swopped my Nikkor 24/2.8D for a Sigma 24/1.8 Macro. Damn, it's GOOD.
    Glad you like it bro.

    Post some pics when you get the chance bro.
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    Seriously, best value for money ever. Cost me all of SGD618 for a brand new unit
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    Wow, kentwong, love the shallow DOF in your photos, they are really nice, it makes the subject pops!

    Edit: Tomorrow i go and try to compose something like your 85mm couple shot!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghoonk View Post
    Seriously, best value for money ever. Cost me all of SGD618 for a brand new unit
    Sigma 24/1.8? can share where u get at such a great price? pm me if it's not convenient.

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    Guys, I'm based in Dubai and getting my stuff from the local retailers (Grand Stores). And yes, I'm a Singaporean
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghoonk
    Seriously, best value for money ever. Cost me all of SGD618 for a brand new unit
    Waaaa so cheap!

    USA sells for around SG$ 600 also. Sigma in SG is ex after the price hike q2 last year.
    Last edited by daredevil123; 30th March 2011 at 10:19 PM.

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    Dunno leh. It was AED1854, less my usual 5%, and against AED2.9 to SGD1 exchange rate works out to around $607 actually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghoonk View Post
    Dunno leh. It was AED1854, less my usual 5%, and against AED2.9 to SGD1 exchange rate works out to around $607 actually.
    Next Qn is, WHEN ARE YOU COMING BACK? LOL

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    July? Trying to see if I can come back sooner
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