10D replacement - realistic speculations please!

[Adam Goi]

Hi to all.

I must be really bored.

I think the inevitable will happen soon; our beloved 10D will be replaced by a newer model.

What are your speculations, in terms of features, price and such?

[caseytan]

Canon Rumors

[espn]

8MP
IS CMOS ? (wow...)
Better UI & controls

What else?

[Darren]

The only truly reliable rumors that I have heard are :-

1. It will have Canon logo emblazoned on the front.
2. It will have an EF lens mount.
3. It will have a memory card slot.
4. It will have a shutter button.
5. It will have a couple of dials, maybe more, but no less than 2.
6. It will have a viewfinder, mirror, shutter, flash hot shoe.
7. It will have a tripod mount.

All others are un-substantiated.

... ok ok I am just making noise here ... you can disregard my post ....

[rainman]

Originally Posted by AdamGoi Hi to all. I must be really bored. I think the inevitable will happen soon; our beloved 10D will be replaced by a newer model. What are your speculations, in terms of features, price and such?

Yah Adam..can understand how u feel..I'm bored too surfing ard to see if there is a new thread to respond to

I'm here to kill ur boredom.

First I think with D60,10D,300D of 6 MP...This newer 10D will be definitely more than that...7MP?

AF Pt should be more say 11..

FrameRate should be higher say 5FPS

BufferRate should be more....and supports WA

Usb 2.0 connection

Build in vertical grip

magnesium alloy body

Bigger and better LCD

Lower ISO 32? keke

Actually I have nothing to spectatulate abt this new 10D..but with new models coming out...keke More ppl will be selling their 10D can grab 1

Price range should pars D2H.

how u guys think? Realistic enough?

[Watcher]

The problem is that for a replacement for any product, you will have to take in account that it does not canabalize sales from existing, especially from new products.

Rainman, if your requirements comes in, what will happen to the sales of 1DMkII? 5fps and say 8MP? Very tricky...

[kiwi2]

But it will never surpass the 1D MkII cos it will still have the 1.6x focal length multiplication.

8MP sounds nice to have. What will kick the whole competition is to also have an interchangeable grid screen.

[Adam Goi]

Okay, it's my turn! (Taking a break from marking worksheets on a school holiday).

My list:

1. Support E-TTL II
2. About the same frame rates and number of AF points relative to 10D (infer from the release of EOS 30V which is to replace EOS 30)
3. 8MP perhaps?
4. Support faster read/write on CF cards
5. Larger buffer
6. Crop factor to remain @ 1.6X
7. Cleaner images at all ISOs (hopefully)
8. AF speed to be maintained (making same inference as above)
9. Some minor bells and whistles in terms of the software found on the camera
10. About the same price

My rationale for the above: I seriously doubt Canon will release a very advance product which will cannibalize into their prosumer DSLRs such as the 1D MKII.

Well there you have it; I suppose only time will tell ... so at the meantime, happy speculating!

[rainman]

Originally Posted by Watcher The problem is that for a replacement for any product, you will have to take in account that it does not canabalize sales from existing, especially from new products. Rainman, if your requirements comes in, what will happen to the sales of 1DMkII? 5fps and say 8MP? Very tricky...

Probably u r right...My assumptions are made as a comparison to its direct competitor D70.

If its specs can't even beat D70, I think it can forgo the new customer based...Just a thought

[madmacs]

i think the only new things will be
1. 8mp
2. digic II (if we are lucky it might be dual)
3. e-ttl2
4. hopefully faster write times

[tunster]

How about A.I. eye focusing?

[iz_k]

Maybe it will have both CF and SD?
What abt wifi? Maybe two different Batt grips, one with wifi one without.
I think I prefer the name 10D mkII or 10Ds rather than they coming up with a new name like 20D.

[nickmak]

Originally Posted by iz_k Maybe it will have both CF and SD? What abt wifi? Maybe two different Batt grips, one with wifi one without. I think I prefer the name 10D mkII or 10Ds rather than they coming up with a new name like 20D.

This is gonna sound so much like a miniture 1D MKII!

[Amfibius]

From my correspondence with Paul Pope:

1. 8MP 1.6x crop sensor
2. 9 autofocus points
3. ETTL-2
4. EF-S mount.
5. Has already gone into production, so delivery will be very soon after the camera is announced.

[nightpiper]

ok, now its my take.

1) new CCD with lower noise, higher dynamic range
2) 11 focus point
3) eye motion control of focusing point
4) still 6MP with 1.6x crop
5) E-TTL 2
6) Digic II but slower ver compare to MK2
7) slightly changed body from 10D but not too significantly
8) some kind of profile setting to make pics look velvia, provia or NPS
9) improve navigation menu
10) lastly, of cos' a brighter & clearer LCD.

thats all folks.

edited:
opps! forgot the price is to be lower than 10D

[kiwi2]

Originally Posted by Amfibius From my correspondence with Paul Pope: 1. 8MP 1.6x crop sensor 2. 9 autofocus points 3. ETTL-2 4. EF-S mount. 5. Has already gone into production, so delivery will be very soon after the camera is announced.

By far, this is the most reasonable set of expectations in this post...

But we're still not quite there yet in digital IMHO...

1. 8MP... Can be an overkill unless you do lots of large prints or frequent cropping. 1.6x.. Still a pain for wide-angles! But a strong reason for me to value and keep my film SLRs.

2. 9 AF points.. Heck who often needs them... Or 45 points for that matter?

3. ETTL-2.. How more accurate is this compared to ETTL?

4. EF-S mount... Duh... All my lenses are EF mounts..!

Ok just some personal laments... Some may find these features cool though. But to me, we are still not there yet for DSLR.. Maybe 5-10 yrs time? Some features that would really do us well: 1.4x (or less, thank you!)FLM, interchangeable grid screens, more dynamic range and punchy colors, and less noise from ISO400 and above... still priced below 3K! :P

[Belle&Sebastain]

TYPE: digital AF/AE SLR
Recording medium type I or II CF card, SD card
Image size: 28.7 x 19.1mm
Compatible lenses: Canon EF mount (expect EF-S) lenses
(35mm-equivalent focal length is equaL TO APPROX 1.3 TIMES THE MARKED FOCAL LENGTH

Image Element
Type (CMOS sensor)
Pixels (effective pixels) Approx 6.1 megapixels
Total pixels: 6.3 megapixels
Apect ratio (3:2)
Colour filter system RGB primary colour filter

Recording system
Recording format: DCF2.0 : JEPG and RAW
Image format: JPEG, RAW (12 bit)
colour matric 5 standard types
processing parameters: standard plus 3 customs
Backup image recording: emable with both CD and SD card
Interface: USB 2.0

Viewfinder:
approx 93% vertically and horizontally
Magnification 0.72
eyepoint 20mm

Autofocus
Type: TTL-AREA-SIR with a CMOS sensor
AF points 9 AF points (area AF)
AF working range 0-18

Exposure Control
21 zone
Evaluative metering
Partical metering

ISO speed
100-1600 (50 & 3200 iso expandable via CF)

Shutter
Type: Electonically controlled focal plane shutter
shutter speeds 1/2000 to 30 seconds 1/3 stops, bulb x-sync at 1/200 sec
self timer 10 or 2 seconds (CF function)
Remote control N3 type

Flash
E-TTL II autoflash with EX series speedlite

Drive system
Drived mode: single, continous, self timer
high speed at appox 4 frames/ second
max burst Approx 12 shots (large JPEG), RAW 6 shots

LCD monitor
Type: TFT colour liquid crystal monitor
monitor size 2.0 inch
pixels 220 000
coverage 100% with respect to the effective pixels
Brightness adjustment 5 levels
with anti glare coating* (NEW)

[madmacs]

Originally Posted by kiwi2 2. 9 AF points.. Heck who often needs them... Or 45 points for that matter?

somehow i find the 10d 7pt af more useful than the 45pt af on 1v. at least the outermost 2 horizontal pts are nearer the edge. so easier to focus on eyes when doing portraits. no need to focus and recompose. the 1v's 45 pt af are all clustered within the oval in the middle half of the screen.

[perror]

I believe if a replacement for the 10D were to appear it will likely maintain the same dimensions as the 10D to maintain compatability in terms of accesories such as the battery grip. This will certainly be a attractive factor for the present 10D users to upgrade. An 8 MP sensor sounds like a logical upgrade and along with that a 1.3x crop instead of 1.6 will be good as it will allow for a brighter viewfinder. It will also give Canon a much needed edge in the wide angle arena. From a cost point of view, a 8mp sensor with a 1.3x crop is not economical due to significantly lower yield from each silicon...so it is likely we can expect a 1.6x crop sensor with the resolution bumped to 8MP to keep costs down.

E-TTL II and a new DIGIC DSP is likely and so will a larger buffer, but not to the point where it competes with the 1D Mk.II. It is not likely that Canon will have the same unlimited shot feature that the D70 has. It will likely maintain the same 9 shot limitation, but with higher shot to shot speed as compared to the 10D. I believe a higher shot to shot speed is more usefull then being able to fill up the CF card to the brim.

Aesthetics wise...a raised viewfinder like those one the 1D will be nice and a viewfinder with a larger coverage area would be good. Interchangeable focus screens will be good, if possible. Power wise, it is likely to use the BP-511A as a power source as the BP-511 has been retired.

Mount wise, an EF-S mount is possible, but not really neccesary. IMHO when it comes to Canon lenses, they do not really have the need for lenses designed specifically for digital cameras. The way I see it, the reason why lenses designed for the smaller sized sensors were created is to address the problem that to build a wide angle lens for the smaller sensor size yet maintain a wide enough focal length if pricy. In terms of Canon lenses, the prices of their wide angles lenses seem to be pretty competitive..so I don't really see the urgency of developing more EF-S lenses. However, I may be wrong in this regards so feel free to correct me if I am..

Well I guess that rounds up my speculation.. Only time will tell..

[sequitur]

1. 8mp
2. 1.6x
3. e-ttl2
4. digic2

these are the so called expected speculations.

fps increase is a bonus, buffer increase is a bonus, AF speed increase is a bonus... as for AF points.. doesn't really matter to me... i believe the 45 points for the 1-series are coz they are useful for sports ? i dunno i've never used one.


but i wouldn't want to sell my 10D for a 2mp increase.. no point and it will mean i have to buy more CF cards. and 1.6x isn't that much of an "upgrade".. prefer 1.3x at least or FF. but definitely not on 10D replacement..


built-in battery grip is overkill.. not everybody needs that kind of battery power.. the 10D is already a very big camera on its own...