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    Default Re: DNP0i$onou$ Clubh0us3 - TCSS Thread XVII

    Remember this pic, guys? It was taken with extra-high ADL...shot in NEF...


    Without ADL, the shadowed areas would be really unacceptably dark...
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    Default Re: DNP0i$onou$ Clubh0us3 - TCSS Thread XVII

    Quote Originally Posted by Smiles88 View Post
    Oops. Sorry. I didn't check it out. Only saw from kriegs' post.
    Sorry bro, I forgot to add "G" to it... Dunno why I'd assume most AF-S lenses are "G"s... of course I forgot some were not...
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    If the above image was taken under not ADL settings, to PP it later would mean "harder to achieve" acceptable shadows...The noise level would give you a field day already... The above pic was very close to what I saw that day, a lot better than without ADL. Hence, I'd use ADL whenever the situation calls for it. An indispensible tool, if you will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kriegsketten View Post
    If the above image was taken under not ADL settings, to PP it later would mean "harder to achieve" acceptable shadows...The noise level would give you a field day already... The above pic was very close to what I saw that day, a lot better than without ADL. Hence, I'd use ADL whenever the situation calls for it. An indispensible tool, if you will.
    but have you compared a shot with and without ADL, both in NEF? Is there any difference in the NEF files when imported into your PP software?

    add: I will do my own experiment this weekend. I have a feeling there is no difference in the NEF file with/without ADL, just like there's no difference when you fill a japanese saloon car with 95 and V-power fuel
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZerocoolAstra View Post
    but have you compared a shot with and without ADL, both in NEF? Is there any difference in the NEF files when imported into your PP software?

    add: I will do my own experiment this weekend. I have a feeling there is no difference in the NEF file with/without ADL, just like there's no difference when you fill a japanese saloon car with 95 and V-power fuel
    You are welcome to try. I did take one with and one without. Unfortunately, after comparing on LCD, I preferred the ADL version so much that I deleted the non ADL thinking it would be redundant in keeping it. Let us know of your research okay?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kriegsketten View Post
    You are welcome to try. I did take one with and one without. Unfortunately, after comparing on LCD, I preferred the ADL version so much that I deleted the non ADL thinking it would be redundant in keeping it. Let us know of your research okay?
    Ahhh, if you only looked at it on the LCD, that's an unfair comparison because the camera is doing the processing before showing you on the LCD. That's not the NEF you are looking at.
    So naturally there would be a difference with and without this feature on
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZerocoolAstra View Post
    Ahhh, if you only looked at it on the LCD, that's an unfair comparison because the camera is doing the processing before showing you on the LCD. That's not the NEF you are looking at.
    So naturally there would be a difference with and without this feature on
    But it IS a NEF file that I got the above image from... There wasn't any JPEG file until I converted it on computer... On LCD I was comparing between 2 NEFs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kriegsketten View Post
    But it IS a NEF file that I got the above image from... There wasn't any JPEG file until I converted it on computer... On LCD I was comparing between 2 NEFs.
    Dude, the camera's LCD is showing you a processed image, not the actual NEF.

    otherwise why would a WB change affect the LCD image even though you shoot in RAW?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZerocoolAstra View Post
    Dude, the camera's LCD is showing you a processed image, not the actual NEF.

    otherwise why would a WB change affect the LCD image even though you shoot in RAW?
    Btw... I have taken another angle... both NEF, one with and one without ADL... I'm viewing both on NX2 now... the difference is pretty great... now does THAT count?
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    After the comparisons explanation and testing, what the conclusion, as most know I'm not a technical inclined shooter...
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    Default Re: DNP0i$onou$ Clubh0us3 - TCSS Thread XVII

    As far as I'm concerned, I've field tested the ADL settings, on the spot you can depend on the LCD for the results (hence I deleted the non ADL version). On the non-ADL version, the shadows are VERY similar to the example you've seen above... almost total darkness under the roof - this is due to the fact that the sun was REALLY glaring that time...

    Luckily I didn't delete the previous angle's non-ADL version... or else I'd just be talking rubbish.
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    wah... you do scan this just try to find an explanation. Thank you.

    Just curious, is ADL an additional process that the camera will do or it is just taking the raw file and lighten up the shadow?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kriegsketten View Post
    Remember this pic, guys? It was taken with extra-high ADL...shot in NEF...


    Without ADL, the shadowed areas would be really unacceptably dark...
    don't mind I nick pick.... glowing building.....
    but interesting angle.
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    Default Re: DNP0i$onou$ Clubh0us3 - TCSS Thread XVII

    I don't know the answer to that, but using the same NEF file you've seen earlier I can still raise the shadow level further to an even lighter shade just all the other NEF files i've worked on...
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    Default Re: DNP0i$onou$ Clubh0us3 - TCSS Thread XVII

    Quote Originally Posted by coolthought View Post
    don't mind I nick pick.... glowing building.....
    but interesting angle.
    Yeah I noticed that too. Not all angles will suffer from the glow... Have another pix, same angle, using just auto ADL - no glow (or at least very neglible) but shadow is not as lightened as the above...
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    Default Re: DNP0i$onou$ Clubh0us3 - TCSS Thread XVII

    To use ADL or not is anyone's preference... to me, its about choosing the lesser of the two evil... loose details in the shadows, or suffer side effects like the glow. Besides, this is crop sensor we're talking about. For FF, maybe the ADL works with better results? So ZCA, do test and see okay?
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    ClemC, 70-200 durian leh... dunno VR II or I...but going with price, you might wanna check leh - if VR I too ex liao...
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