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    Default Re: wait for Nikon 70-200 f2.8 or buy alternative

    Quote Originally Posted by Irvine View Post
    hmm.. thanks for the info regarding the 80-200. now im testing the lens out.. borrowed it from a fren, n didnt really enjoy switching between AF n MF.. furthermore it breaks easily.. so i will stick to AF all the way

    seen that thread too.. got heavily poisoned
    but i'll haf to hold tat temptation off until my camera's warranty expires... since changing of focusing screens will void the warranty
    Yes bro, feel the poison. The 50/1.2 is a very nice lens. My dad had it since early 80s. But shooting it wide open on a D300s can be challenging with the smaller viewfinder due to the very thin DoF. I installed a split prism focusing screen and now it is sweet.

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    Default Re: wait for Nikon 70-200 f2.8 or buy alternative

    Quote Originally Posted by Irvine View Post
    hmm.. thanks for the info regarding the 80-200. now im testing the lens out.. borrowed it from a fren, n didnt really enjoy switching between AF n MF.. furthermore it breaks easily.. so i will stick to AF all the way

    seen that thread too.. got heavily poisoned
    but i'll haf to hold tat temptation off until my camera's warranty expires... since changing of focusing screens will void the warranty
    Changing of the focusing screen will not void your warranty. I changed it, and my warranty is still valid. And the focusing screen is very very easily changed if you know how to do it. I changed it for my old D40x as well as my current camera the D300s.

    BTW here is the fix for the 80-200 if you are interested.
    Forum Nikon SLR Lens Talk
    Subject Patch [SIMILAR]
    Posted by freddyNZ
    Date/Time 10:30:54 PM, Tuesday, August 25, 2009 (GMT)

    I patched mine. Cut aluminium sheet (about 1.5mm thick width of ring, and 20mm long), with hole drilled so that screw can still be accessed, roughen aluminium and ring surface for glue adhesion, bend to shape, and glued using marine epoxy adhesive - thickened with fumed silica so that glue could not run.
    3 years later, and it's still holding together and working fine - the patch will probably last forever.
    Cost - about $0.05.
    If it needs to be pulled apart for cleaning some time, then I'll get the ring replaced.
    I have schematic (pdf) for 80-200 "two ring" here. There's a lot of disassembly required to replace the ring.

    from http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1030&message=32818924
    Last edited by daredevil123; 16th February 2011 at 05:18 PM.

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    Alright TS, since you can't decide what to buy (body or lens), here's what I think is the best choice for you.

    At the price of a 70-200mm VR II, you can instead get a,

    2nd hand D300s
    1st hand 70-300mm VR
    1st hand or 2nd hand 50mm F/1.4

    This should cover all that you are shooting.

    Just my 2 cents

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    Default Re: wait for Nikon 70-200 f2.8 or buy alternative

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgdevilzz View Post
    Alright TS, since you can't decide what to buy (body or lens), here's what I think is the best choice for you.

    At the price of a 70-200mm VR II, you can instead get a,

    2nd hand D300s
    1st hand 70-300mm VR
    1st hand or 2nd hand 50mm F/1.4

    This should cover all that you are shooting.

    Just my 2 cents
    Enough meh? No la. 2nd hand D300 with 50/1.8 maybe... not D300s or the 50/1.4. Unless you are talking about a very beat up D300s and a very beat up 50/1.4.

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    Default Re: wait for Nikon 70-200 f2.8 or buy alternative

    Quote Originally Posted by daredevil123 View Post
    Changing of the focusing screen will not void your warranty. I changed it, and my warranty is still valid. And the focusing screen is very very easily changed if you know how to do it. I changed it for my old D40x as well as my current camera the D300s.
    ahh... poison poison

    thanks for the info bro.. so tempted to change it right now n get myself a 50mm f/1.2 instead
    Quote Originally Posted by daredevil123
    BTW here is the fix for the 80-200 if you are interested.

    from http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1030&message=32818924
    wow thanks again bro..

    now im pretty torn in between 50 f/1.2 AIS and 80-200 f/2.8 but needs do come first.. so i'll haf to get the 80-200 first and the price of the 80-200 on ddelectronics is pretty attractive, it's like 300 bucks cheaper compared to a brand new one from reputable shops. altho lenses bought from ddelectronics r considered grey sets, but i dun tink i will need the warranty since i doubt the lens will spoil tat easily (apart from the AF/MF switch).
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    Default Re: wait for Nikon 70-200 f2.8 or buy alternative

    Quote Originally Posted by daredevil123 View Post
    Enough meh? No la. 2nd hand D300 with 50/1.8 maybe... not D300s or the 50/1.4. Unless you are talking about a very beat up D300s and a very beat up 50/1.4.
    actually possible if compared to a brand new 70-200mm f/2.8 vr 2, which costs $3030 as stated in the price guides. brand new d300s goes for around 2k (i bought it for 2065 to be exact last december) and a brand new 50mm f/1.4G which is $820 from ms color as stated in price guides.
    brand new 70-300 goes at $850 from john 3:16 in price guides also.
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    Default Re: wait for Nikon 70-200 f2.8 or buy alternative

    D3100 couple with AFS/AFD 80-200 or AFS 70-200 VR seem out of balance..
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    Default Re: wait for Nikon 70-200 f2.8 or buy alternative

    Quote Originally Posted by donchua View Post
    D3100 couple with AFS/AFD 80-200 or AFS 70-200 VR seem out of balance..
    u mean too heavy ?

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    Default Re: wait for Nikon 70-200 f2.8 or buy alternative

    Quote Originally Posted by chercm View Post
    u mean too heavy ?
    definitely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chercm View Post
    u mean too heavy ?
    Front heavy to be exact. A D3s plus 70-200 VRII is heavier, but will still feel more balanced and thus cause less strain than a D3100 + 70-200 VRII combo

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    Default Re: wait for Nikon 70-200 f2.8 or buy alternative

    Quote Originally Posted by chercm View Post
    u mean too heavy ?
    Front heavy due the lens weight..

    Quote Originally Posted by brapodam View Post
    Front heavy to be exact. A D3s plus 70-200 VRII is heavier, but will still feel more balanced and thus cause less strain than a D3100 + 70-200 VRII combo
    I used the D3100 with the Nikon 18-200 VR and the balance also not there..
    Still prefer D300s + grip for those lens.. more balance..though heavy..
    Unless got 3rd party grip for D3100, then maybe will be better..

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    Quote Originally Posted by donchua View Post
    Front heavy due the lens weight..



    I used the D3100 with the Nikon 18-200 VR and the balance also not there..
    Still prefer D300s + grip for those lens.. more balance..though heavy..
    Unless got 3rd party grip for D3100, then maybe will be better..
    Phottix sure have for D3100.

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    Default Re: wait for Nikon 70-200 f2.8 or buy alternative

    having problems in deciding now ....

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    Default Re: wait for Nikon 70-200 f2.8 or buy alternative

    Quote Originally Posted by Irvine View Post
    actually possible if compared to a brand new 70-200mm f/2.8 vr 2, which costs $3030 as stated in the price guides. brand new d300s goes for around 2k (i bought it for 2065 to be exact last december) and a brand new 50mm f/1.4G which is $820 from ms color as stated in price guides.
    brand new 70-300 goes at $850 from john 3:16 in price guides also.
    Sorry I misread. I though he mentioned 70-200 VR.

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    Default Re: wait for Nikon 70-200 f2.8 or buy alternative

    Quote Originally Posted by donchua View Post
    Front heavy due the lens weight..



    I used the D3100 with the Nikon 18-200 VR and the balance also not there..
    Still prefer D300s + grip for those lens.. more balance..though heavy..
    Unless got 3rd party grip for D3100, then maybe will be better..
    Agree that a fast tele on D300s without grip is not as balanced... but definitely manageable. But D3100 with a heavy lens... hmmm.

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    Default Re: wait for Nikon 70-200 f2.8 or buy alternative

    Quote Originally Posted by Irvine View Post
    ahh... poison poison

    thanks for the info bro.. so tempted to change it right now n get myself a 50mm f/1.2 instead
    I got mine from a company in Taiwan called focusingscreen.com. The one I got is K3 screen, a genuine Nikon split prism screen meant for the FM3. They cut it down to fit D300s. So it is still nice and bright with almost no problems in center spot metering.

    Here are all the screens available with sample pics. (availability for specific models will vary).
    http://www.focusingscreen.com/privacy.php

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    Default Re: wait for Nikon 70-200 f2.8 or buy alternative

    Quote Originally Posted by daredevil123 View Post
    I got mine from a company in Taiwan called focusingscreen.com. The one I got is K3 screen, a genuine Nikon split prism screen meant for the FM3. They cut it down to fit D300s. So it is still nice and bright with almost no problems in center spot metering.

    Here are all the screens available with sample pics. (availability for specific models will vary).
    http://www.focusingscreen.com/privacy.php
    thanks for the info once again

    will take note of this webby n buy from them when i decide to get the 50mm f/1.2 AIS
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    Default Re: wait for Nikon 70-200 f2.8 or buy alternative

    Quote Originally Posted by daredevil123 View Post
    Agree that a fast tele on D300s without grip is not as balanced... but definitely manageable. But D3100 with a heavy lens... hmmm.
    I think you need to hold it like a bazooka attached with a remote LCD screen and activate the shutter with a wireless...
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    Default Re: wait for Nikon 70-200 f2.8 or buy alternative

    D90 fits my hands just fine... but fitted with a heavy lens... yes it tends to be very front heavy.

    I used to wonder if people buy the battery grip strictly because they wanna look pro... now I take that back... With the grip attached, the setup is well balanced. Weight isn't a concern if you have a monopod attached although it still takes practice to keep it still. Plus heavy lens with a tripod/monopod foot has an advantage - you can tilt it to suit any creative angles you want while monopod/tripod is still standing upright. Also, portrait format is a bit easier now that you don't have to lift your right arm like crazy.
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    You could also consider whether you intent to use the TC's (1.4x and 1.7x) with which ever version of the 80-200mm you eventually buy.

    80-200mm f/2.8 AFD one and two touch - it is not possible

    It is possible with:

    80-200mm f/2.8 AFS
    70-200mm f/2.8 AFS VRI
    70-200mm f/2.8 AFS VRII

    (but you are going to need a tripod)

    Second hand prices wise:

    80-200mm AFD one touch around $800
    80-200mm AFD two touch around $1100
    80-200mm AFS around $1500 ( there were 3 copies in Peninsula / Adelphi this afternoon going from $1.5+/- to $1.3+/- )

    Check here for decent and informative reviews:

    http://www.bythom.com/nikon.htm
    http://www.naturfotograf.com/lens_zoom_00.html

    Understand that these lenses were designed with pro's in mind and that you do NOT need them to take good photos.

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