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    F365`s Top Ten January Moves...

    Posted 01/02/11 16:38



    Plenty of deals in the transfer window, but which were the best? A good loan or a waste of time? A shrewd investment or a rip-off. Here are our ten (well, OK, eleven) top deals of January...

    NB: Not all of these deals are from a single perspective - i.e. some might be good from the player's point of view, some from the club's, and one from the perspective of every right-thinking fan in England...


    10 - Kyle Walker (loan from Spurs to Aston Villa)
    The England right-back slot is up for grabs. Whenever we at F365 are writing the ratings for England games, we could just cut and paste the same paragraph for Glen Johnson - 'Good going forward, a liability defending', or variants thereof, and surely this cannot be tolerated for too long. Initial signs suggest Walker may have similar issues, but he has impressed in a problem position for Villa thus far, so this could be his chance.


    9 - Paul Konchesky (loan from Liverpool to Nottingham Forest)
    In short, Konchesky simply had to get out of there. Never mind not getting a game - he was seen by many fans as a symbol of the Roy Hodgson regime, a relic of a hated time and appropriately scorned. As he had already played for both Liverpool and Fulham this season, his options were limited - if the Cottagers didn't want him back, an 'emergency' loan was the only route open. With that not really a possibility in the Premier League, a Championship club in decent nick where Konchesky can settle himself and just play - without 40,000 Scousers screaming at him - looks about right.


    8 - Jamie O'Hara (loan from Spurs to Wolves
    Speak to a lot of Spurs fans, and they would much rather have O'Hara in their team than Jermaine Jenas. Technically rather limited, sure, but a far less frustrating player than his more talented colleague. After his lengthy injury lay-off, O'Hara has been kicking his heels at Spurs, with a plethora of central midfielders (Jenas, Huddlestone, Sandro, Palacios) in front of him. O'Hara did well on loan at a struggling club last season, so one suspects he has the chops for a similar effort his time around.


    7 - Steve Sidwell (undisc from Aston Villa to Fulham)
    Languishing in the reserves at Aston Villa, Sidwell's career could charitably have been described as 'stalled'. He clearly needed to get out, but his move to Fulham turned out to be excellent not just because it got him out of the Villa stiffs, but because he didn't end up signing for West Ham. Indeed, in pulling out of the deal because the Hammers apparently had too many midfielders (Mediawatch has dealt with their pursuit of other men in that position), Karren Brady did Sidwell a favour. Would you prefer a stable club whose form seems to be turning around, or a basket case at the bottom of the league? Tough call.


    6 - Tuncay (undisc from Stoke to Wolfsburg)
    Set aside what you may think of Stoke (and we think plenty), and instead pay attention to Tuncay saying he "could not sleep at night because of the excitement" of joining Wolfsburg. Also Tony Pulis, not exactly a sentimental wallflower you'd imagine, said: "Tunny asked me if the club would help him to achieve his dream. He's always wanted to play in Germany and has missed out in the past." The Turk is too talented a player for the bench, so hopefully he'll have better luck in Germany.


    5 - David Bentley (loan from Spurs to Birmingham)

    So many of these deals seem to be talented players at a biggish club, who for whatever reason can't get a game. And Bentley must be the alpha male of that particular group, spending most of the season shuffling around, not doing much at Spurs Lodge, other than kicking footballs into skips. A spell at Birmingham, where he will most likely get regular football and a chance to strut his silky stuff, could be just the thing he needs.


    4 - Andy Carroll and Luis Suarez (£57.8million from Newcastle and Ajax to Liverpool)
    Oh boy, is this a gamble. A whacking great gamble. Liverpool fans might (and plenty have) comfort themselves by thinking of this as effectively being financially square, having sold Torres and Ryan Babel for roughly the same money. Or that Carroll is not worth £35million, but is simply about two-thirds of a Torres. Both valid views, but to blow that amount of money on one (injured) player with half a decent season in the Premier League and another only proven in the crapshoot that is the Eredivisie, is risky. We'll not even go into how their respective ropey temperaments might cause problems.

    Still, let's look on the positive side. In theory, this could be an ideal partnership - the big battering ram and the lithe and nippy finisher, dovetailing perfectly to put away the chances provided by Gerrard, Meireles et al. Also, between them they have scored 18 goals in 34 league games this season. And they're young too - 22 and 24 respectively. If this works, they could be Liverpool's strike partnership for a generation.


    3 - El-Hadji Diouf (loan from Blackburn to Rangers)
    Come on, aren't you glad to see the back of him? Incidentally, if you didn't know, Diouf's first game will probably be Sunday's Old Firm derby. Best of luck.


    2 - Darren Bent (£18m, rising to £24m, from Sunderland to Aston Villa)
    Twice this window, the F365 team has rubbed our eyes, uttered increasingly vile expletives and wondered exactly what is wrong with the world as a striker from the north-east attracts a ludicrous transfer fee. However, after the events of deadline day, £24million for a striker with five-and-a-half seasons of (reasonably) consistent Premier League goalscoring behind him doesn't seem quite so silly. Villa were missing a regular goalscorer, and while Bent doesn't offer a great deal other than goals, they have plenty of others to do the fancy stuff. A front four of Albrighton, Young, Agbonlahor and Bent does look pretty tasty...


    1 - Fernando Torres (£50m from Liverpool to Chelsea)

    Setting aside the Liverpool fans who took the 'YNWA' armband as a blood oath, one could convincingly argue that everyone wins from this deal. Chelsea have a world-class player to give their season the kick in the pants it needs, Torres is at a club with a better chance of winning things, and Liverpool have £50million for a man who has looked listless, unfit and petulant for much of the season.

    In the short term, one might question Chelsea's wisdom in buying Torres. Incorporating both he and Didier Drogba will almost certainly mean a change in formation, and as Pete Gill pointed out on Tuesday, it didn't go so well last time they tried to accommodate an expensive forward. However, this is a long-term investment. Chelsea have been told by anyone who would listen that theirs is an ageing team, so purchasing a 27-year-old to eventually replace Drogba (33) and Nic Anelka (31) is a sage move. In theory, this should work. In theory, Torres should score plenty for Chelsea. In theory, Torres could be their number nine for years to come. We will see if this theory comes true.

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    Default Re: Liverpool football club *53*- Under King Kenny,even without Torres,we shall PREVA

    Quote Originally Posted by Cheesecake View Post
    andy carroll reminds me of...







    Duncan Ferguson!
    u have collection of duncan ferguson undies too??

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    Default Re: Liverpool football club *53*- Under King Kenny,even without Torres,we shall PREVA

    Quote Originally Posted by ahyooo View Post
    torres hoping to score against Lpool this sunday...


    http://thechelseablog.org/2011/02/01...nst-liverpool/

    anyone wanna organize outing sunday evening and give torres 'warm' welcum

    im interested..
    Quote Originally Posted by roDz View Post
    im free this sunday... count me in...


    I maybe going down to watch at HArry's Bar, Chijmes! Go go go ??
    Last edited by zhapchit; 2nd February 2011 at 08:34 AM.

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    Default Re: Liverpool football club *53*- Under King Kenny,even without Torres,we shall PREVA

    From a mailing list I subscribe to (for the past 14 years!) :

    "I think you'll find less sympathy for the player from the match goers who get a
    better view of a players all round game.

    Yes, he didn't always get great service. But sometimes a killer pass was played
    and he simply didn't bother running on to it.


    At times he's been static up front - waiting for a ball to be delivered to his
    feet and thereby giving a defender the opportunity to nip in and pinch it


    In his early days with us, he'd battle against defenders. In the past 12 months
    he's bottled out of challenges too often or simply gone to ground and then
    whinged at the ref for not getting a free kick.

    His work-rate had dropped dramatically. Hodgson was booed for taking off N'gog
    during one of his final games. Most of us thought the sub was unwarranted. But
    the opinion in the stands that day was that, if any player deserved to come off,
    it was Torres.


    Put simply, on an effort front he's been on a par with Babbel this season and we
    deserved better from him, no matter how unhappy he was. But the odd glimpse of
    genius has been enough to keep the wolf at bay.

    What really bugs me is that he's only seemed bothered on a couple of occasions
    this season. Firstly when we played Chelsea (and note it was only a few days
    after that game that Bills favourite YNWA person reported that rumours of the
    player going to the Chavs were growing). We then saw his form pick up in the
    first few weeks of the transfer window. No doubt that Kenny's more adventurous
    style of play and the improvement in the club mood helped. But I think now that
    he wanted to show off a bit in the hope of attracting some interest. If he is so
    self-absorbed we're well rid of him"

    "Another match goer rang Talksport last week on Thursday I think when the rumour started. He quoted that after that game, he saw Torres have a lengthy chat with Ancelloti just before he went in the tunnel. There was a lot of head knodding and smiling as if Torres had already agreed to go.

    To top it off he said when Cashley Cole walked past, he and Torres hugged as if they were best mates. Again a lot of nodding from Torres. He couldn't lip read but he said Cole looked excited after a defeat and it was baffling because apparently Cole got no mates so what was all that hugging with Torres about??? "

    Good riddance!

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    Happy CNY everyone.
    Liverpool will HUAT all the way this year!
    Starting tonight!!!
    Nikon D90: 16-85mm f/3.5-5.6G

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    Quote Originally Posted by elgkh View Post
    From a mailing list I subscribe to (for the past 14 years!) :

    "I think you'll find less sympathy for the player from the match goers who get a
    better view of a players all round game.

    Yes, he didn't always get great service. But sometimes a killer pass was played
    and he simply didn't bother running on to it.


    At times he's been static up front - waiting for a ball to be delivered to his
    feet and thereby giving a defender the opportunity to nip in and pinch it


    In his early days with us, he'd battle against defenders. In the past 12 months
    he's bottled out of challenges too often or simply gone to ground and then
    whinged at the ref for not getting a free kick.

    His work-rate had dropped dramatically. Hodgson was booed for taking off N'gog
    during one of his final games. Most of us thought the sub was unwarranted. But
    the opinion in the stands that day was that, if any player deserved to come off,
    it was Torres.


    Put simply, on an effort front he's been on a par with Babbel this season and we
    deserved better from him, no matter how unhappy he was. But the odd glimpse of
    genius has been enough to keep the wolf at bay.

    What really bugs me is that he's only seemed bothered on a couple of occasions
    this season. Firstly when we played Chelsea (and note it was only a few days
    after that game that Bills favourite YNWA person reported that rumours of the
    player going to the Chavs were growing). We then saw his form pick up in the
    first few weeks of the transfer window. No doubt that Kenny's more adventurous
    style of play and the improvement in the club mood helped. But I think now that
    he wanted to show off a bit in the hope of attracting some interest. If he is so
    self-absorbed we're well rid of him"

    "Another match goer rang Talksport last week on Thursday I think when the rumour started. He quoted that after that game, he saw Torres have a lengthy chat with Ancelloti just before he went in the tunnel. There was a lot of head knodding and smiling as if Torres had already agreed to go.

    To top it off he said when Cashley Cole walked past, he and Torres hugged as if they were best mates. Again a lot of nodding from Torres. He couldn't lip read but he said Cole looked excited after a defeat and it was baffling because apparently Cole got no mates so what was all that hugging with Torres about??? "

    Good riddance!


    i don't know about those chats/hugging etc, but everything about his performance this season is so very true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kopred View Post
    Happy CNY everyone.
    Liverpool will HUAT all the way this year!
    Starting tonight!!!

    already started lah
    only did some spring cleaning and got rid of someone who didnt want to play for us

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    Quote Originally Posted by zhapchit View Post
    I maybe going down to watch at HArry's Bar, Chijmes! Go go go ??
    okies...anyone else coming?

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    Just huat to all fans!!!!!!!

    发大财 and Liverpool 包赢必赢一定赢!!!!
    Eat breath LIVERPOOL!!!

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    why do i feel that we have upgraded from a 20mil MC King to a 35mil one?

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    Default Re: Liverpool football club *53*- Under King Kenny,even without Torres,we shall PREVA

    Quote Originally Posted by grumpy View Post
    why do i feel that we have upgraded from a 20mil MC King to a 35mil one?
    why dont we recall aquilani back? hes not injured now rite?

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    Dear Mr Miller

    Effectively we sold one who did not want to play for us (sulk sulk, unhappy unhappy) - spend last season injured, and one who never managed to play for us (so sorry to say that about Babel).

    And in return, we got one of the best prospects in England and a wonderful prospect from the world, "which might fulfill our striking needs for a generation". Emm hello.... You know what... Its a worthwhile gamble on a year that most have written off (it can get better, it can't get worse since everyone has written off this year). Smart move by the owners.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cheesecake View Post
    F365`s Top Ten January Moves...

    Posted 01/02/11 16:38


    4 - Andy Carroll and Luis Suarez (£57.8million from Newcastle and Ajax to Liverpool)
    Oh boy, is this a gamble. A whacking great gamble. Liverpool fans might (and plenty have) comfort themselves by thinking of this as effectively being financially square, having sold Torres and Ryan Babel for roughly the same money. Or that Carroll is not worth £35million, but is simply about two-thirds of a Torres. Both valid views, but to blow that amount of money on one (injured) player with half a decent season in the Premier League and another only proven in the crapshoot that is the Eredivisie, is risky. We'll not even go into how their respective ropey temperaments might cause problems.

    Still, let's look on the positive side. In theory, this could be an ideal partnership - the big battering ram and the lithe and nippy finisher, dovetailing perfectly to put away the chances provided by Gerrard, Meireles et al. Also, between them they have scored 18 goals in 34 league games this season. And they're young too - 22 and 24 respectively. If this works, they could be Liverpool's strike partnership for a generation.

    Nick Miller
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    2. Failure to pay attention and sayiang sayiang result in loud cries, sulky face, movement of shoulders, change of hair colour
    3. Keep feeding and pampering even when sick, else will look for other parents for no apparent reason.

    You know what: 50mil pounds goodbye To$$er, good luck Chel$ki

    Quote Originally Posted by Cheesecake View Post
    F365`s Top Ten January Moves...

    Posted 01/02/11 16:38


    1 - Fernando Torres (£50m from Liverpool to Chelsea)

    Setting aside the Liverpool fans who took the 'YNWA' armband as a blood oath, one could convincingly argue that everyone wins from this deal. Chelsea have a world-class player to give their season the kick in the pants it needs, Torres is at a club with a better chance of winning things, and Liverpool have £50million for a man who has looked listless, unfit and petulant for much of the season.

    In the short term, one might question Chelsea's wisdom in buying Torres. Incorporating both he and Didier Drogba will almost certainly mean a change in formation, and as Pete Gill pointed out on Tuesday, it didn't go so well last time they tried to accommodate an expensive forward. However, this is a long-term investment. Chelsea have been told by anyone who would listen that theirs is an ageing team, so purchasing a 27-year-old to eventually replace Drogba (33) and Nic Anelka (31) is a sage move. In theory, this should work. In theory, Torres should score plenty for Chelsea. In theory, Torres could be their number nine for years to come. We will see if this theory comes true.

    Nick Miller
    Marios

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    Quote Originally Posted by roDz View Post
    why dont we recall aquilani back? hes not injured now rite?

    he's played more games for Juve now than he played for us the entire last season
    19 for Juve, 18 for LFC


    There must be something about our treatment table

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    Quote Originally Posted by roDz View Post
    why dont we recall aquilani back? hes not injured now rite?
    Hey, apparently has has been doing quite well in Italy.. why not.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marios_pittas View Post

    Instructions to New Parents:

    1. May require attention very frequently
    2. Failure to pay attention and sayiang sayiang result in loud cries, sulky face, movement of shoulders, change of hair colour
    3. Keep feeding and pampering even when sick, else will look for other parents for no apparent reason.

    You know what: 50mil pounds goodbye To$$er, good luck Chel$ki

    Marios

    sounds like my son, anyone wants to offer me 50mil?

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    Quote Originally Posted by grumpy View Post
    sounds like my son, anyone wants to offer me 50mil?
    Ha ha ha ha.. uncle I also have one exact copy (yours 8 too?) but no one is willing to offer 50mil... that is no one except Chel$ki..... lets see, time is the best judge....

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    Quote Originally Posted by marios_pittas View Post
    Dear Mr Miller

    Effectively we sold one who did not want to play for us (sulk sulk, unhappy unhappy) - spend last season injured, and one who never managed to play for us (so sorry to say that about Babel).
    Marios

    I think we never saw the best of Babel under Rafa and RH

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    Quote Originally Posted by zhapchit View Post
    I maybe going down to watch at HArry's Bar, Chijmes! Go go go ??
    Hmm... possible but need permission... !!!! How many of us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by grumpy View Post
    I think we never saw the best of Babel under Rafa and RH
    I think so too, but if Kenny decided to cash in.. what to do? We support....

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    Quote Originally Posted by marios_pittas View Post
    Ha ha ha ha.. uncle I also have one exact copy (yours 8 too?) but no one is willing to offer 50mil... that is no one except Chel$ki..... lets see, time is the best judge....

    yeah, 8 too.
    I have transfer-listed him, also available for loan


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