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    Quote Originally Posted by Numnumball View Post
    Tml hope be better..

    Newbie, can help critique tis pic?

    i m thinking of.. room for improvement in terms of composition or placement of key elements..
    Like I said before I find those rocks a bit formless...

    But personal pref aside, I find this a bit overfiltered, with such an overcast sky you can afford to have the reflections a bit brighter, but somehow it just doesn't feel right.

    Exposure aside, I always find the foreground composition a lot more important than the sky. I notice you have a tendency to capture the sky, with teh foreground elements as a side show. To be honest, I think a not-so-nice sky with a good foreground composition is superior to a nice sky with sub-optimal FG composition.

    Standing at the same spot, I thought if you had rotated yourself to the left (or ACW) it would make for better use of space in the same frame. Right now you have used the midground prominent rock as a counterpoint, but there is far more space on the right, and that introduces balance issues.

    Alternatively, just moving horizontally (facing same direction) left from where you are would help.

    After addressing this, next thing is how high or low you want to go here. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this looks pretty high - I suppose to get the reflections in part, and to place the anchor element at a third. Why restrict yourself to 2:3? You could just as easily go slightly lower, thus "compressing" the verticals and drawing the two elements that "lead in" into the sky closer, giving more effective lead-in. And then if you find that there is too much space at the bottom as a result, crop.

    Of course, this will change the look of anchor element slightly...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leong23 View Post
    Composition.

    Don't mind i do a quick and dirty PP for comparsion.

    cheater!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrewtansj View Post
    i don't get it... too deep...
    In most part of Singapore, opposite bank is still quite close.

    Think about how when you stand at an angle to a railing, it will seem tilted when it is level, because it is coming towards you or away. Think it's called horizontal perspective distortion, either you have to suck it in and correct with liquify, or position your camera back parallel to opposite bank in picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leong23 View Post
    Composition.

    Don't mind i do a quick and dirty PP for comparsion.

    Oh got ya.. placement.. looks better
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    Quote Originally Posted by andrewtansj View Post
    cheater!!!
    No lah, just showing him how to balance up the frame.

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    Bryan, in your flickr stream, 26 Dec also there?

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    nnb's backside 237 sec...

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    The backside so beautiful

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leong23 View Post
    No lah, just showing him how to balance up the frame.
    disqualify you in competition!

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    Quote Originally Posted by edutilos- View Post
    Like I said before I find those rocks a bit formless...

    But personal pref aside, I find this a bit overfiltered, with such an overcast sky you can afford to have the reflections a bit brighter, but somehow it just doesn't feel right.

    Exposure aside, I always find the foreground composition a lot more important than the sky. I notice you have a tendency to capture the sky, with teh foreground elements as a side show. To be honest, I think a not-so-nice sky with a good foreground composition is superior to a nice sky with sub-optimal FG composition.

    Standing at the same spot, I thought if you had rotated yourself to the left (or ACW) it would make for better use of space in the same frame. Right now you have used the midground prominent rock as a counterpoint, but there is far more space on the right, and that introduces balance issues.

    Alternatively, just moving horizontally (facing same direction) left from where you are would help.

    After addressing this, next thing is how high or low you want to go here. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this looks pretty high - I suppose to get the reflections in part, and to place the anchor element at a third. Why restrict yourself to 2:3? You could just as easily go slightly lower, thus "compressing" the verticals and drawing the two elements that "lead in" into the sky closer, giving more effective lead-in. And then if you find that there is too much space at the bottom as a result, crop.

    Of course, this will change the look of anchor element slightly...
    Oh.. Cud have done better if i use one stop less of GND instead..miscalculation on my part.. Understand ur point with rgds to the weighing of fg and bg..

    We were restricted in our framing at the moment of time when the light is dimishinishing by a big cruise ship stopping in the far right of our right. Cud have easily done a clone like what Leong did..

    Actually i went quite low for this shot, maybe ard 80cm from the waterbed.. Will try to visualise what u trying to convey across here.. think and absorb for a more effective compo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrewtansj View Post
    disqualify you in competition!

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    Quote Originally Posted by edutilos- View Post
    Bryan, in your flickr stream, 26 Dec also there?
    yah, went wif Emperor 523 and teacher
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    Quote Originally Posted by Numnumball View Post

    Actually i went quite low for this shot, maybe ard 80cm from the waterbed.. Will try to visualise what u trying to convey across here.. think and absorb for a more effective compo.
    Oh yeah, those rocks are so flat...

    Think is hard here then, that second prominent rock has to be nearer for a better lead in line. If you go lower you might change the view of the foreground rock quite a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Numnumball View Post
    yah, went wif Emperor 523 and teacher
    That side quite nice. Have to clone right

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    Quote Originally Posted by Numnumball View Post
    Oh.. Cud have done better if i use one stop less of GND instead..miscalculation on my part.. Understand ur point with rgds to the weighing of fg and bg..

    We were restricted in our framing at the moment of time when the light is dimishinishing by a big cruise ship stopping in the far right of our right. Cud have easily done a clone like what Leong did..

    Actually i went quite low for this shot, maybe ard 80cm from the waterbed.. Will try to visualise what u trying to convey across here.. think and absorb for a more effective compo.

    Thanks Newbie
    Try to move around the foreground to find the correct placement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edutilos- View Post
    The backside so beautiful
    i only got 1 backside.. shd have stalked Andrew
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    Quote Originally Posted by andrewtansj View Post

    lovely colours and subject but just feel that the framing is a bit too tight at the bottom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edutilos- View Post
    That side quite nice. Have to clone right
    Tat one is further down, can only see that area (quite close to the one Imran have) when its mid tide.. maybe ard 1-1.3m..
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    Andrew shoot rock pang sai halfway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edutilos- View Post
    Oh yeah, those rocks are so flat...

    Think is hard here then, that second prominent rock has to be nearer for a better lead in line. If you go lower you might change the view of the foreground rock quite a bit.
    i didn't know how to compose so just look for backside to shoot

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