14th July 2004, 11:37 AM
In that case, why don't the wild life and sports people use film and a 200mm and crop all their images? The reason is that it does not make sense. The time, much less the effort in scanning makes it not up to the same quality if you do that on the faster ISO films; the grains will show up.
Originally Posted by waileong
You "intentions" is your expectation, call it prejudice for a lack of a better word. Yes, I do agree with the issue you raise but lets put it this way: it can be corrected and just be willing to learn the different way. It is the same as those shooting both 35mm and MF. All the DOF/focal length/etc issues are the same. Just think like shooting another format; a digital format, with its pros and cons.
Originally Posted by waileong
14th July 2004, 11:52 AM
A different relationship
It can't be corrected, DOF and perspective for a lens are ruled by the laws of optics and physics and no one can correct them.
But it can be accepted, yes, and people who don't know any different will wonder what the fuss was all about in the first place. Although I fervently wish for the day when a full-frame sensor DSLR will be at the same price at a 10D today.
The difference between SLR and MF and SLR and DSLR is that in the former, one knows that one is using a completely different set of lenses and hence the expectations are totally different, whereas in the latter, the marketing people sell the 1.5x factor by witholding the other dirty facts.
My main beef is not with film vs digital, but with how the DSLR marketing people have pulled the wool over consumers' eyes by calling it a "multiplier" factor. If there is ever an award for deception in advertising, this should be one of the nominees.
PS I mentioned DOF before, perspective is another very important point, a 75 mm lens and a 105 mm lens also have very different perspective, so a true 105 mm lens image and a 1.5x 75 mm lens image would be quite different, not just in terms of DOF, but in terms of perspective. And before the flames come, yes I know 75 x 1.5 > 105, just that I'm lazy to calculate the theoretical number, and in any case, not sure if anyone makes a 70 mm lens.
Originally Posted by Watcher
14th July 2004, 09:48 PM
The correct word for it is 1.5x Cropping factor. Pure and simple. If you lens can do say 100 lp/mm on the film plane, with the full-frame, then after cropping, you get only 67 lp/mm. So, that is why a mediocre lens that can only do say 60 lp/mm would result in having only 40 lp/mm after the cropping. That is why cheap or lousy lens would give you terrible results in a dSLR! If you have a fantastic lens that can resolve to say 120 lp/mm, after cropping, you get a decent 80 lp/mm.
So, lets hope that the days of affordable Full-frame dSLR is not too distant, like in 2 to 3 years or so. By affordable, I mean say 3k or so. Right now, the full-frame Kodak DCS is like 7-8k. So, 3k in 2 - 3 years is not unrealistic. and then, we no longer have this cropping problem so that we can make full use of all our precious lenses, especially those WiDE angles like 20mm and below.
14th July 2004, 10:19 PM
My Leica M6 and Contax T3 is still alive & I believe that they would last another 10 -20 years down the road.
Originally Posted by King Tiger
I dun say that I am a firm believe of film cameras but film cameras is just for me.
14th July 2004, 10:41 PM
i use digital cams daily and own more than 1 body but my last 5 cameras i bought in the last 6 months are film ones, what does it tell, nothing much right?
14th July 2004, 10:50 PM
You paid $2000 for OM-3Ti? From where had you get it from? It is way too expensive to pay for a system which is no longer being manufactured and supported!
Originally Posted by boochap
With this sum of money, you can easily get a 2nd hand mint condition Leica M4-P anytime!
14th July 2004, 10:54 PM
some day i will try a leica too... just to see the effect
Originally Posted by XXX Boy
15th July 2004, 01:04 AM
I don't think at the end of the day the medium use matters much unless you are able to bring out the difference or make a difference to your pictures when using either medium as compared to the other.
The rest is just talk.