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    Quote Originally Posted by ahbian View Post
    Regarding the loose copyright clauses, you have a point when you say that none of us can be certain of the intention of the corporation. It could be a cover-all clause to mininise any legal complications, it could be a exploitation of less discerning photographers, it could be somewhere in between.

    None of us can claim to know for sure, but using your same argument, I suppose you can't claim to know for certain either.

    I don't see where it wrong to highlight suspect clauses and create awareness. And if people are still willing to join the competitions after that, then they do so with an informed choice.
    Well bro, he may know if he works in Maybank or related to this competition and is very uncomfortable with the T&Cs or maybe something else. There is no right or wrong answers in this thread, i would suggest just do what individuals want to do, willing = join, unwilling = don't join. Lets not confuse or spoil mood, have a wonderful xmas and enjoy the day with yar loves ones. Happy holidays to all. Peace
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    Quote Originally Posted by flowerpot View Post
    this thread made my day...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xtol19 View Post
    Ahbian, if you look carefully at Maybank's T's and c's, they do not require you to give up copyright. Just to give them the right to reproduce.

    Which is actually what Arizona highways has below as well, ie AH can reproduce submissions in any promotional materials without any compensation beyond photographer credit.

    So is there any substantive difference between what Canonixus thinks is a favourable set of t+c vs what Maybank does?
    Maybank Group reserves the right to publish or display all entries, with or without the name of the author, for purposes including but not limited to advertising, publicity and exhibition, without payment of any fees to any party or the need for written consent from any party.
    The Arizona Highways 2011 Online Photo Contest is open to amateur and professional photographers, except employees of Arizona Highways magazine, the Arizona Department of Transportation and members of their immediate families. Any images not made in the state of Arizona will be disqualified. By submitting images to the contest, participants grant Arizona Highways magazine the right to publish their images in Arizona Highways magazine and on its website and in any promotional materials (i.e. press releases, future photography contest announcements, social medial efforts, etc.) for no other consideration beyond photographer credit. Photographers retain copyrights to their submitted photographs. First-, second- and third-place winners will be announced in the September 2011 issue of Arizona Highways, as well as on our website. Only the winners will be notified. Incomplete submissions will be disqualified.
    one stops at promotional materials.

    the other...

    world of difference hor. guess you know corporations, but you aren't going to be a very good lawyer.

    do you understand what "including , but not limited to" means? let me explain it to you....

    when i say that my purposes include, but are not limited to A, B and C. it means that i can introduce D, E, F, G, all the way to Z, and it is covered. in short, it covers EVERYTHING. use to print on toilet paper also can hor. just so you know.

    that said, that line in the arizona contest should be highlighted also.
    Last edited by night86mare; 24th December 2010 at 03:17 PM.

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    Really? And that's the substantive difference? Does it matter whether they reproduce your so-called fantastic contest entries on an ad or on a piece of toilet paper? Do you get paid in either case, in either contest?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xtol19 View Post
    Really? And that's the substantive difference? Does it matter whether they reproduce your so-called fantastic contest entries on an ad or on a piece of toilet paper? Do you get paid in either case, in either contest?
    suspect you are arguing for the sake of arguing.

    i suppose your brilliant marketing skills have included using toilet paper for some form of promotional material in the past before.. for your creativity.

    like kit says, don't think you respect your photos if you are willing to let people wipe their arse with it.
    Last edited by night86mare; 24th December 2010 at 03:26 PM.

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    If we find that, even in one of the most respected landscape photo magazines, the rules of the contest require that you give them the right of reproduction in all substantive media that they own (ie web, print, social media, etc), then why would you expect any corporate, whose main business is not selling photos, and whose lawyers are used to being high-handed (witness the strong t's and c's in any loan agreement), be any lesser from the t+c's of any respected photo magazines?

    Yet, unlike photo magazines, who depend on photos for their business, Maybank does not. So why would you think Maybank needs to run a contest to screw photographers? Shouldn't the prime suspect be those who need photos for their business?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xtol19 View Post
    If we find that, even in one of the most respected landscape photo magazines, the rules of the contest require that you give them the right of reproduction in all substantive media that they own (ie web, print, social media, etc), then why would you expect any corporate, whose main business is not selling photos, and whose lawyers are used to being high-handed (witness the strong t's and c's in any loan agreement), be any lesser from the t+c's of any respected photo magazines?

    Yet, unlike photo magazines, who depend on photos for their business, Maybank does not. So why would you think Maybank needs to run a contest to screw photographers? Shouldn't the prime suspect be those who need photos for their business?
    please, "promotional material" is very different from "substantive media they own".

    and you still don't get the point, do you?

    having the potential to screw, is very different from running a contest to screw. what we're talking about is the former.

    i might wish to highlight to people passing by a mrt station with a man holding a knife standing in front, that he has a knife and has the potential to stab someone with it. that's very different from him having actually stabbed someone with it.

    you might as well say that when i say that all men have penises, thus they have the ability to reproduce. that doesn't mean that i'm saying that all men need to reproduce, or WILL reproduce.

    so get your story right, instead of throwing strawman arguments around repeatedly despite people telling you that you are being absolutely ridiculous.
    Last edited by night86mare; 24th December 2010 at 03:32 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by weekh View Post
    Rewards / offer from Maybank credit card seems pretty good.
    Anyone applying for one?
    oh, i am.... got free watch leh.

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    I'll have to design a toilet paper called "Screw night86mare and wipe your assss on her face".

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    Quote Originally Posted by weekh View Post
    really? mai tu liao!
    hugo boss leh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xtol19 View Post
    I'll have to design a toilet paper called "Screw night86mare and wipe your assss on her face".
    quote, report to mods, kthxbai

    p.s. maybe you should try to grow up, that's just juvenile.
    Last edited by night86mare; 24th December 2010 at 03:35 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    quote, report to mods, kthxbai

    p.s. maybe you should try to grow up, that's just juvenile.


    i sense a instant dereg.

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    ahbian,

    While one can't know for certain, one decides based on a balance of probabilities, as one would for civil law.

    Quote Originally Posted by ahbian View Post
    Regarding the loose copyright clauses, you have a point when you say that none of us can be certain of the intention of the corporation. It could be a cover-all clause to mininise any legal complications, it could be a exploitation of less discerning photographers, it could be somewhere in between.

    None of us can claim to know for sure, but using your same argument, I suppose you can't claim to know for certain either.

    I don't see where it wrong to highlight suspect clauses and create awareness. And if people are still willing to join the competitions after that, then they do so with an informed choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xtol19 View Post
    ahbian,

    While one can't know for certain, one decides based on a balance of probabilities, as one would for civil law.
    Hmm... so I would go out on a limb and surmise that you do agree that the T&C of the contest gives the organiser legal right of taking advantage of photographers' submission?

    However you don't believe that it is the intention of the organisers to invoke that right.


    Anyway, lets all keep to a civil discussion and chill. If nothing, its the holiday seasons.
    Last edited by ahbian; 24th December 2010 at 04:52 PM.

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    Well said, as long as you understand the Singapore context.

    Civility begets civility and vice versa. Nothing to do with holiday season.

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    IS there a stubborn juvenile, who is full of himself, on the thread?
    Can we just leave IT alone and let's not OT, ok?

    Anybody joining? .... Oh, Kit had submitted hor. I should submit mine too

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    Quote Originally Posted by rexlim View Post
    IS there a stubborn juvenile, who is full of himself, on the thread?
    Can we just leave IT alone and let's not OT, ok?

    Anybody joining? .... Oh, Kit had submitted hor. I should submit mine too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xtol19 View Post
    I'll have to design a toilet paper called "Screw night86mare and wipe your assss on her face".


    nm is a girl... i didn't know that

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    Quote Originally Posted by flowerpot View Post


    nm is a girl... i didn't know that

    yea. a pretty one too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kit View Post
    my entry

    For a moment, my reaction is WOW......then........

    Good One

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