11th June 2004, 12:15 AM
IT GRADS do you think your degree is too general....
juz wondering how many of you have the same thought as me??..
IT grads... is getting certifications important??... certs like MCSE, CCNA....
Those that are already taking... which skools is highly recommended??.. (Infomatics, purpletrain, new horizons... etc)
11th June 2004, 02:18 AM
I remember helping out one it job-placement agency (they've since closed doors) to fix their NAT setup as a favour to a friend who worked there. It was a 10 minute thingy but even then her boss actually interviewed me! He asked me, did I have MCSE or some other MS training, obviously, I said no, because of that he said he couldn't pay me. Not that I wanted renumeration, but it made me feel sick because i've seen the quality of MS-trained people's work. (crap)
Originally Posted by blurboiboi
I know of plenty of companies (including mine) that have a skills-based hiring strategy where you don't need certs but they're good if they're relevant and you can back it up. What I'd suggest is: if you're interested in a certain kind of job, say network-related, take up CCNA, etc but try to do it with a training firm that will help you get placed in a job after the course.
Some advice for those interested in an IT career and haven't started yet, try Comp Eng. It's very interesting and you get pretty good training.
Also, if you want some excellent experience, try an open source OS, like freebsd or linux, there are some things that no school can ever give you.
11th June 2004, 09:14 AM
A degree is just a piece of paper, many IT companies nowadays wants more than just a degree, the degree to them is just a guage of your salary bar, that's more or less about it.
If you're a network engineer, they're looking for certs like CCNA, CCNP, etc
Microsofts folks are looking for MCSE, MCSD and etc
Java developers they're looking for SCJP, SCJD and etc.
Everywhere you go it's the same, they want you to come with a cert in every field you can perform in, as long as you've had that little bit of skill, they'll prefer you with a cert on that. Sheesh... So if you ask me, the cert is more important to whether they'll hire you or not, but the salary guage comes from the degree itself.
And oh yeah, whether they use your skills after hiring or not is a totally different matter...
12th June 2004, 01:23 AM
A degree in IT is just a stepping stone. IT, being a very big and wide area, you need to demostrate that you have the skill set in certain area of specialisation. Therefore certification comes in. Although very subjective, having a cert means that you are competence in this particular area.
The certs allows you to have a better ground and advantage in your job hunt. Think about it, if 2 ppl going for interview, same level, same skillset, same degree, but one of them got a professional cert... if you are the person hiring one of them... in your mind you already know who you want to hire.
Some ppl pass exam very easily some see it as pain, you can pass a certification does not mean you are really good in that aspect. I know of ppl who failed Sun Certified Java Programmer (SCJP) but they are actually very good java programmer. While some ppl may pass the SCJP but they can't programm well in java (This type of ppl do exist, I know).
the the bottom line is:
For example, If you are GOOD in programming, having a cert will certain enhanced your status when you look for job.
just my view
12th June 2004, 01:34 AM
Certs do nothing..
I'm only 18 but i've helped a whole company setup their network.. not ur simple NAT networks.. cisco 2600 series routers and 2900 catalyst switches and stuff. A couple of weeks back, my friend gave me a call, asking me to help him with a problem with MS Exchange 2000. He said HP couldn't solve it for them. Well, i went there, looked @ the error message, did a google search, solved it in 30 minutes. What are certs for?
As for programming, once you've established your reputation, i believe jobs will come raking in. I once helped civil service college write a three dimension survey software, and they felt it was good.. so with recommendations, more jobs came my way...
I think the best thing is to forget about the certs, focus on building up ur reputation in the IT world..
Books only tell you what to do in certain scenarios and stuff. When a real problem arises, its real experience that solves it.