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    Please point out where the personal comments lie. I think it's a shame locking such an interesting thread. I must admit I learn from Matlock's point of view. It's exactly how our society is sometimes. Sweeping everything under the carpet.
    Let's talk about filters and apertures instead then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minoxman
    I think you pay too much emphasis to the "grade of concepts". As in, so and so's concept is superior or deeper than so and so's. In esscence, my niece's dot is inferior to Picasso's because Pica has more to say about that dot than my niece. But Pica's concept may mean **** to my niece's world of imagination because it may not touch her soul. Likewise, JC's concept may mean a lot to you but my point is exactly that it may mean **** to many others, and so why should my niece's concept be any inferior to anyone's?

    JC or Picasso or my niece are all the same, conceptually in their own minds. Different, but the same. But the notion that JC was given the benefit of the doubt in his exhibition because of who he is, is troubling. It means people like my niece won;t have a chance to make the million.
    I doubt John Clang made his million doing this personal work. more likely his commercial work. Your niece has a chance to make her million. if she actually takes the effort to do something special with her work. not just create technically great pieces, but have that extra bit of special sauce in her pictures that make it uniquely hers. Here we know this is an exhibition of personal works. Perhaps it's a good way of figuring out how a world reknowned photographer thinks.

    Picasso and John Clang have proven themselves in their other works, technically and conceptually.
    your niece hasn't in either.

    Maybe John Clang has something to teach you, a technically proficient photographer who decides to exhibit work that doesn't blow your socks off technically. Have you asked why? Maybe he's trying to tell you that there's more to a photo than its technical aspects.

    I don't think all art has to touch your soul. I have my personal preference in art for the artists' works who touch me emotionally. but I am aware that art is not just about "touching" people emotionally. I find it important to view work that challenges my intellect too, it doesn't always have to please me.

    It's agreed, we all have our differing standards of what good art is. I don't think anyone is trying to force you to change your opinion. some people are just stating their own opinions too.

    There will always be an importance in the "brand" of a person's name. If Einstein said the end of the world was coming people would probably listen to him. A crazy homeless man may say the exact same thing and no one would listen. It is not the same, though they are the same things verbally. Einstein proved himself. Crazy man didn't. Picasso can paint a dot and people would listen. your niece can paint a dot and no one will listen. because Picasso had proven himself already. Accept it. through lots of hard work artists perservere to have their viewpoints and visions heard by the masses. Proving one's skill and credentials gives a person's words more weight. give an artist the benefit of the doubt.

    Anyway it's been great having this debate! I just think that most people have this idea of photography being the art of capturing a "beautiful" image. but a thorough understanding of the history of photography will reveal all sorts of interesting concepts which influenced photographers. Concept is important, it drives people's ideas. Cubism, surrealism, landscape photography, documentary photography, minimalism, abstraction, they are all driven by a certain different underlying concepts of the way the world is viewed, and the way it should be projected. I like to give art I don't understand the benefit of a doubt. Perhaps it's just that I don't understand the artist's point of view. So sometimes I try to view it from the artist's point of view.

    and caesium, we're not arguing. or have you never disagreed with anyone before without getting into a fight?heh.

    In fact I think there should be a sub-menu in the clubsnap forum dedicated to the philosophy of photography. as far as I know it seems the people in most photo forums (photo.net included) seem to be either landscape,documentary or portrait photographers. it may be interesting to bring up issues of different aspects of photography, we may be able to learn from each other's points of view of photography and what it means to us, and perhaps we may be influenced to adjust and try a different approach to photography, when we hear more about other perspectives of photography.

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    Too bad Einstein don't shoot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minoxman
    Please point out where the personal comments lie. I think it's a shame locking such an interesting thread. I must admit I learn from Matlock's point of view. It's exactly how our society is sometimes. Sweeping everything under the carpet.
    Let's talk about filters and apertures instead then.
    Now now, it need no speaking for. Search yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minoxman
    It's exactly how our society is sometimes.
    Indeed, more social experiments. Always good for you.

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    anyway this thread has gotten me more fired up to take more photos. hope it does for you too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaeSiuM
    Now now, it need no speaking for. Search yourself.
    Let's assume it happened. If personal feelings means so much to you in webspace, let's talk about lens caps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattlock
    anyway this thread has gotten me more fired up to take more photos. hope it does for you too!
    Am prepared to see some of your work too. Be nice if you have a website.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jed
    Indeed, more social experiments. Always good for you.
    I thank you for confirming my suspicion on certain identity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minoxman
    Am prepared to see some of your work too. Be nice if you have a website.
    yup I'll put a link up once I finish setting up a separate website for my photos. i'm sure I won't forget you.
    returning to singapore soon, going to work on some series of works. Quite inspired by some magazines , I posted up some links, I don't know if they sell those magazines in Singapore. If you ever see them don't hesitate to buy them. I like COLORS also, they have a different theme every month and all the photos are related to that theme,or issue being discussed in the magazine. I find that working on a series and a certain theme forces you to think more and come up with ideas before you actually head out to look for things to shoot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattlock
    yup I'll put a link up once I finish setting up a separate website for my photos. i'm sure I won't forget you.
    returning to singapore soon, going to work on some series of works. Quite inspired by some magazines , I posted up some links, I don't know if they sell those magazines in Singapore. If you ever see them don't hesitate to buy them. I like COLORS also, they have a different theme every month and all the photos are related to that theme,or issue being discussed in the magazine. I find that working on a series and a certain theme forces you to think more and come up with ideas before you actually head out to look for things to shoot.
    Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I will be shooting a series of "legs" too, but am working on the concept for now. Do post your link soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minoxman
    Please point out where the personal comments lie. I think it's a shame locking such an interesting thread. I must admit I learn from Matlock's point of view. It's exactly how our society is sometimes. Sweeping everything under the carpet.
    Let's talk about filters and apertures instead then.


    Interesting as in how you made this thread your personal playground? It's a real eye sore then.

    Your writing styles sure reminded me of 1 clown who went speechless 1 day till he gotta throw a poll asking how many wanted him to leave. Which, unfortunately, upset many happy others when they realised all that clown wanted was just to change his nick, from Cash to some dunno-what man.

    "Photography is an Art...
    All I heard is someone Fart..."


    Free Forum that is, grumble whatever you want. Just sincerely hope you can tone down a little and let others get their chance to speak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stylus C34
    Interesting as in how you made this thread your personal playground? It's a real eye sore then.

    Your writing styles sure reminded me of 1 clown who went speechless 1 day till he gotta throw a poll asking how many wanted him to leave. Which, unfortunately, upset many happy others when they realised all that clown wanted was just to change his nick, from Cash to some dunno-what man.

    "Photography is an Art...
    All I heard is someone Fart..."


    Free Forum that is, grumble whatever you want. Just sincerely hope you can tone down a little and let others get their chance to speak.
    And that has what to do with me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minoxman
    Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I will be shooting a series of "legs" too, but am working on the concept for now. Do post your link soon.
    love to see some of your works soon.. at least i know most of us here are dying to. u know...talk is cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystix
    love to see some of your works soon.. at least i know most of us here are dying to. u know...talk is cheap.
    Well then hold your breath.

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    I can almost hear the cows now..

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    Yawn..........yawn...

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    OK let's talk about what JC the artist is trying to say.

    He calls his protagonist Beon, which is derived from the frequent army exhortation to "Be on the ball".

    Is he telling Singaporeans that we should be "on the ball" and go-getters (like him, one presumes), or is he mocking the whole futility of being "on" in the army? I know many people who would share the latter viewpoint.

    In his series "Asleep" he declares that his message to Singaporeans is to slow down their fast pace of life, to take time to smell the roses and, yes, get some sleep. This, from someone who moved to New York because it was more "happening" and the place to be. NYC, the city that never sleeps. Forgive me for experiencing some dissociative dissonance here. So are we supposed to "be on" or to slow down and get some sleep? Or both?

    The "SARS" exhibit was very very cliched. Just the mask, and a half naked man. One photo would have gotten the message across. Probably more strongly. But a series has to be a series of photos right? So much for thinking out of the box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystix
    I can almost hear the cows now..
    You must have very good ears. Seems to me they're VERY FAR from home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ant
    Whether his work is good or bad, at least he make it.
    Did u? I don't.

    I respect him and I'm proud of him being a Singaporean.

    Why can't we give him the support as he is one of us.

    Who are we to judge?

    So his work is not as important as his nationality?

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