9th June 2004, 02:18 AM
9th June 2004, 09:23 AM
Recommend book "Steel Inferno: 1st SS Panzer Corps in Normandy" for those who have no clue wat King Tiger was talking about.
9th June 2004, 03:15 PM
for those of you interested check out http://www.achtungpanzer.com/gen3.htm
The Germans may be the "bad guys" then but they were a truly formidable force. Very professional and advanced. Cool equipments too
Hats off to the Allied troops who bravely fought against them. It's not easy hunting Tigers when you're driving a "Ronson Lighter". To actually succeed as they did was a truly remarkable achievement.
9th June 2004, 03:19 PM
I used to have a tamiya scale model of this Tiger with wired remote control. Ireally liked the Tiger and also recently got to watch one of my favorite movie called...Battle of the Bulge.....
9th June 2004, 03:34 PM
Imagine if the Iraqis had a Michael Wittmann. Imagine what kind of bad days would come onto those damn yankees and brits.
I know. I am only being synical.
9th June 2004, 03:49 PM
They still haven't found the nukes yet...
Originally Posted by agape01
9th June 2004, 03:53 PM
Well, maybe if they start looking in their own backyards..........
Originally Posted by AReality
Amazing how childish it is. You have a whole bag of sweets and you start crying to mummy cos the other guy has one sweet
9th June 2004, 04:23 PM
9th June 2004, 04:34 PM
The Tiger in its hey day was deadly. Many a foe feared the 88mm gun.
In the latter stages of WW 2 US has the Sherman to counteract ag the Tiger.
Today Germany has the Leopard and due to the current ties there is no opportunity for the Leopard to fight ag the US Abrams M1. So we will never know the full capabilities of the Leopard
9th June 2004, 04:42 PM
Yup. King Tigers, Tigers, Panthers, JadgeTigers, JadgePanthers, Nashorns, JP Elefants, Marders, StuGs, SturmTigers, Hummels, Wespes, Nebelwerfers, 88s, Panzerfausts, Panzerschrecks just to name some.
Originally Posted by giddygoat
9th June 2004, 04:50 PM
I thought it's the British version of the Sherman that could take on the Tiger head on? I was referring to the Firefly VC with the 17-pounder AT gun.
9th June 2004, 06:10 PM
Eh, i'm curious (but not curious enough to go read history books) - how did that guy single-handedly hold up an entire division? (Just a short para will do. )
9th June 2004, 06:33 PM
From the book "Panzerkrieg" by Peter McCarthy (Robinson Press 2002) pp212-3:
"The four tigers of SS-Obersturmfuhrer Michael Wittmann's company drove toward Villers Bocage and from the commanding position of Hill 213 Wittman spotted the British vehicles incompetently lined up nose to tail in the village. As a leading tank ace, Wittmann knew a golden opportunity when he saw one and wasted no time in seizing it.
"Approaching the column stealthily in his Tiger, Wittman pressed on unobserved past the stationary lead vehicles and then shot up three out of four Cromwells before proceeding into the village's main street. Several British shots bounced harmlessly off the Tiger's frontal armous. Wittman was satisfied with his recce and reversed, only to have his tank shot in the back twice by the leading Cromwell. Again the shells failed to penetrate and Wittmann quickly dispatched the British tank with an 88 shot.
"The Tiger then engaged the forward elements of the column which were parked so close together that their main guns couldn't be used. His first shot was put into the only tank that posed a threat to the Tiger, the Firefly - a Sherman up-gunned with a high velocity 17-pounder (76mm) gun. Wittman then casually drove the length of the convoy shooting up each vehicle in turn and in five minutes destroyed no less than 25 tracked vehicles before withdrawing back to Hill 213.
"Intense fighting conitnued around the village all day. At one stage Wittmann had to abandon his disabled Tiger and walk cross-country until he found a Panzer Lehr position. There he was given 15 Panzer IV's and returned to recapture the village in association with units from the 2nd Panzer Division. For the loss of just 3 Tigers, the Panzers destroyed 25 Cromwell and Firefly tanks, 14 half-tracks and 14 Bren-gun carriers at Villers Bocage that day and stopped the advance of the 7th Armoured Division in its tracks."
9th June 2004, 07:55 PM
this whole army thing is really IN huh!
soon I think we can have a sub group discussion about NS and military!.
9th June 2004, 08:14 PM
Hey Sulhan, didn't know you're into this. Is the model 1/16 or 1/24 scale? I have this model in 1/24 and the Leopard II in 1/16.
Originally Posted by sulhan
This guy was brillant and that accounted for his scores.
9th June 2004, 08:17 PM
In the movie, they used the American M26 Pershing as the Tiger. Watch Saving Private Ryan .. they used the real stuff!
Originally Posted by sulhan
9th June 2004, 08:18 PM
Reminds me of Zhang Fei in the Romance of the Three Kingdoms, where he scared off the entire Cao army at Chang Ban Bridge.
9th June 2004, 08:38 PM
I watched a show on discovery not too long ago that compared the Tiger Vs the Shermans, in many ways, the tiger is superior, having bigger guns and heavier armour, the only way for the Shermans to have a chance it so sneak behind the tiger and shoot at it's engine.
the only reason the sherman won the war was due to it's sheer numbers and also it "mass producability". It shared parts with some commom automobiles and was produced using some mass production techniques, hence parts were readily available when the shermans were damaged.
on the other hand, the tiger wasn't built in that way and hence when it is damaged it was hard to repair, and the show also mentioned that the tiger have a less reliable engine....... also also a slower turning turret.
interesting show, in the end they asked veretans from both sides, US and also the germans which tank would they prefer if they can choose, everyone of them choosed the tiger.
9th June 2004, 08:54 PM
The Tiger has its day in WW2.
The turrent may be slower due to the 88mm gun and the Sherman used a smaller calibre gun.
Just like the jet fighter planes made by the German in 1944/45, the ball bearing factories, railway lines, other factories were so heavily bombed by the Allies that the German could not sustain production of these magnificent war machines.
The US on the other hand could produce the Shermans, Mustangs, aircraft carriers..etc without any enemy interference.
Now comes to shooting, if there is any chance to shoot these vintage war maches, I would jump on it
9th June 2004, 09:09 PM
In the "Making of Band of Bros", Alan Tomkins (Sr Art Director/Vehicles) explained that the Tiger tank in "Saving Pte Ryan" was actually a dressed up T-34 Soviet tank and not the real thing.
Originally Posted by Jay
They even cut up and modified several British APCs to look like panzerkamfwagen IIIs.
Last edited by Tetrode; 9th June 2004 at 09:12 PM.