Epson 2100 or Canon i9950

ckiang · 6th June 2004

Which would you choose and why?

Regards
CK

ckiang · 6th June 2004

No one likes the Epson?

Regards
CK

offspring · 6th June 2004

2100 for bw.

skyline_impreza · 6th June 2004

I love canon!!!

Good luck to Epson

skyline_impreza · 6th June 2004

i9950 is much faster and cheaper than 2100

ckiang · 6th June 2004

But how about quality?

Regards
CK

rueyloon · 7th June 2004

2 words about canon

"fading prints"

Watcher · 7th June 2004

^^^^^

Agrees. 2100 uses pigment, which makes it last > 70 years with combination of archival matt.

Neo · 7th June 2004

Canon is promising 100 years archival with its Photo Paper Pro paper, which gives the double advantage of wide gamut of dye inks and the longivity of prints.

Altezza · 7th June 2004

I have used Photo Paper Pro exclusively in all its sizes and all conditions (stored in a/c office, out of sunlight under glass/plastic, not near heat source, etc). I found that it does fade at best after 2-3 years (on my old s800 Canon), even with the latest i990, 2-3 months slight fading when in normal environment (exposed to air, no direct sunlight, a/c).

Unless they changed the ink recipe with the latest batch for the i9950........I don't see any 100 year quality - whatever paper is used.

Only advantage I see over Epson is 8 colour from the i9950 vs 7 colour from the Epson. Or perhaps that the print heads are on the ink cartridges in the Canon and fixed in the printer in the case of the Epson (maintenance related).

NikLeica · 7th June 2004

Agree with Altezza on Canon's prints fading out quicker than Epson.....
I have similar experiences with the Pro Paper and Canon printers....

skyline_impreza · 7th June 2004

Come to think of it

Heard from my friend say that Canon printers spoilt easily. Like spoilt after one year.
Is that so? Does anyone of you got any similar experience?

VincentLin · 7th June 2004

Once Epson, always Epson.

Wah... very easy to see why. The ink from epson opaque opaque one. The ink from canon like coloured water.

Witness · 7th June 2004

canon...juz got one yesterdae.....i tink the photo finish for epson no good...got dots or sumthing like tt.... summore slower....

AJ23 · 7th June 2004

All in all, I still find Epson 2100 got better printout than Canon S9100/S9950, but Canon's cheaper.

Morever, Canon's got fading problem with some of its own paper.

And before any flames coming, I owned and used S9100.

yaoxing · 8th June 2004

I'm dreaming to own an Epson Stylus Pro 4000, but its price is not feasible for a hobbyist unless I start offering A2-size printing service.

A4 and A2 are the closest to 3:2 aspect ratio, similar to 35mm format while A3 is somewhat 4:3 ratio, similar to some digicams. However, since i only shoot with my SLR and DSLR most of the time, I would very much want to print in either A4 or A2 size. Got tired of seeing my photos in A4 already, that's why now dreaming of A2 printouts.

Currently printing my own photos using Canon's MPC200 which uses combined colour cartridge BCI-24C. Smudges easily. The next printer I'll buy would be an Epson using either DuraBrite or UltraChrome inks (for its waterproof capability).

Given the choices above, I'll go for Epson 2100 now, until Canon solve their famous fading problem and comes up with waterproof ink.

ST1100 · 8th June 2004

Yaoxing, the A-series (A0, A1, A2, A3, A4, etc) all have the exact same length/width ratio: 1:1.414 (sqrt 2). They were defined that way.

yaoxing · 9th June 2004

Originally Posted by ST1100

Yaoxing, the A-series (A0, A1, A2, A3, A4, etc) all have the exact same length/width ratio: 1:1.414 (sqrt 2). They were defined that way.

Arhh.... then I got my maths wrong. Sorry, my bad. Looks like A3 is an attractive choice for me then. I used to have that misconception about the aspect ratio, that's why held up my purchase. Thanks for enlighting me!

Neo · 11th June 2004

Hi Yaoxing,

The PR-101 paper has been upgraded, which explains for the 100 years archivibility claim. The Canon guys are also saying that the prints are waterproof.

Go get your own image printed from the Epson 2100 and the Canon i9950 and compare the results. Prepare to be shocked... at least that's what happened to me at the PC Show last week.

ST1100 · 11th June 2004

Originally Posted by Neo

Go get your own image printed from the Epson 2100 and the Canon i9950 and compare the results. Prepare to be shocked... at least that's what happened to me at the PC Show last week.

Could you comment a little more? 'Prepare to be shocked' is not very helpful for most of us... thanx.

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6th June 2004	#1
ckiang Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Singapore Posts: 6,597	Epson 2100 or Canon i9950 Which would you choose and why? Regards CK

6th June 2004	#3
offspring Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,474	2100 for bw. __________________ blog flickr

7th June 2004	#10
Altezza Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bukit Timah Posts: 261	I have used Photo Paper Pro exclusively in all its sizes and all conditions (stored in a/c office, out of sunlight under glass/plastic, not near heat source, etc). I found that it does fade at best after 2-3 years (on my old s800 Canon), even with the latest i990, 2-3 months slight fading when in normal environment (exposed to air, no direct sunlight, a/c). Unless they changed the ink recipe with the latest batch for the i9950........I don't see any 100 year quality - whatever paper is used. Only advantage I see over Epson is 8 colour from the i9950 vs 7 colour from the Epson. Or perhaps that the print heads are on the ink cartridges in the Canon and fixed in the printer in the case of the Epson (maintenance related). Last edited by Altezza; 7th June 2004 at 02:22 PM.

7th June 2004	#14
Witness Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 6,876	canon...juz got one yesterdae.....i tink the photo finish for epson no good...got dots or sumthing like tt.... summore slower.... __________________ w maverick.photography

6th June 2004	#2
ckiang Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Singapore Posts: 6,597	No one likes the Epson? Regards CK

6th June 2004	#4
skyline_impreza Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Bishan Posts: 245	I love canon!!! Good luck to Epson

7th June 2004	#7
rueyloon Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,556	2 words about canon "fading prints"

7th June 2004	#8
Watcher Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The heart of the Abyss Posts: 2,319	^^^^^ Agrees. 2100 uses pigment, which makes it last > 70 years with combination of archival matt.

7th June 2004	#9
Neo Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 947	Canon is promising 100 years archival with its Photo Paper Pro paper, which gives the double advantage of wide gamut of dye inks and the longivity of prints.

7th June 2004	#11
NikLeica Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Singapore mostly Posts: 299	Agree with Altezza on Canon's prints fading out quicker than Epson..... I have similar experiences with the Pro Paper and Canon printers....

7th June 2004	#12
skyline_impreza Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Bishan Posts: 245	Come to think of it Heard from my friend say that Canon printers spoilt easily. Like spoilt after one year. Is that so? Does anyone of you got any similar experience?

7th June 2004	#13
VincentLin Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 385	Once Epson, always Epson. Wah... very easy to see why. The ink from epson opaque opaque one. The ink from canon like coloured water.

7th June 2004	#15
AJ23 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Town of Queens doing PORT-9YOU Posts: 6,715	All in all, I still find Epson 2100 got better printout than Canon S9100/S9950, but Canon's cheaper. Morever, Canon's got fading problem with some of its own paper. And before any flames coming, I owned and used S9100.

8th June 2004	#16
yaoxing Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bedok, Singapore Posts: 772	I'm dreaming to own an Epson Stylus Pro 4000, but its price is not feasible for a hobbyist unless I start offering A2-size printing service. A4 and A2 are the closest to 3:2 aspect ratio, similar to 35mm format while A3 is somewhat 4:3 ratio, similar to some digicams. However, since i only shoot with my SLR and DSLR most of the time, I would very much want to print in either A4 or A2 size. Got tired of seeing my photos in A4 already, that's why now dreaming of A2 printouts. Currently printing my own photos using Canon's MPC200 which uses combined colour cartridge BCI-24C. Smudges easily. The next printer I'll buy would be an Epson using either DuraBrite or UltraChrome inks (for its waterproof capability). Given the choices above, I'll go for Epson 2100 now, until Canon solve their famous fading problem and comes up with waterproof ink.

8th June 2004	#17
ST1100 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Singapore, Bedok Posts: 1,800	Yaoxing, the A-series (A0, A1, A2, A3, A4, etc) all have the exact same length/width ratio: 1:1.414 (sqrt 2). They were defined that way.

11th June 2004	#19
Neo Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 947	Hi Yaoxing, The PR-101 paper has been upgraded, which explains for the 100 years archivibility claim. The Canon guys are also saying that the prints are waterproof. Go get your own image printed from the Epson 2100 and the Canon i9950 and compare the results. Prepare to be shocked... at least that's what happened to me at the PC Show last week.