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Old 21st May 2004   #1
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Question Under exposed D70

Hi,

Do you find your picture comes out from the D70 under exposed ?
I need to increase +1 stop to achieve a satisfied shot, esp for indoor shots.
Is this a norm for DSLR ?

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Old 21st May 2004   #2
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You probably want to load a custom curve into your D70.

Check this out - http://www.planetneil.com/nikon/d100-customcurves.html
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Old 21st May 2004   #3
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Originally Posted by woofair2004
Hi,

Do you find your picture comes out from the D70 under exposed ?
I need to increase +1 stop to achieve a satisfied shot, esp for indoor shots.
Is this a norm for DSLR ?

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Well... All I can said its how D70 was design. I use customer exposure setting so no need to +1 stop.
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Old 21st May 2004   #4
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Originally Posted by Cyberian
Well... All I can said its how D70 was design. I use customer exposure setting so no need to +1 stop.
Can you elaborate on how you do that. Thanks
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It's NOT under exposed, it's to PREVENT highlight OVER exposure. This has been explained many times, and this is also on the D100 as well. And yes, most cases is where you +1EV on the camera solves the problem.
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Originally Posted by reflecx
You probably want to load a custom curve into your D70.

Check this out - http://www.planetneil.com/nikon/d100-customcurves.html
WHOA! Learn something new every day...
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Originally Posted by espn
It's NOT under exposed, it's to PREVENT highlight OVER exposure. This has been explained many times, and this is also on the D100 as well. And yes, most cases is where you +1EV on the camera solves the problem.
Does that mean the camera's compensation is permanently set to +1EV for all modes of shooting?
Still have plenty to learn.
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Default My 300D never underexposed ..

I thought Nikon metering system is supposed to be better than Canon?
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Old 21st May 2004   #9
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Originally Posted by nokin
Does that mean the camera's compensation is permanently set to +1EV for all modes of shooting?
Still have plenty to learn.
no, it is to make sure that in the whole frame, nothing is overexposed.


but then normally in a picture, there'll be a bright source that's y the everywhere else will seems under


if u dun wan that to happen, use spot or center metering



for me, i use white wedding curves and it seems to help out pushing the mids
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Originally Posted by nokin
Does that mean the camera's compensation is permanently set to +1EV for all modes of shooting?
Still have plenty to learn.
Nope, it's not, it depends on how you shoot and what you want to achieve, and in many cases I'm damn grateful for the so-called underexposure on the D100/D70, it has saved my skin once a many. Normally to get a bright shot, I'd push +0.7-+1.0EV on the camera. You can salvage underexposed shots, but not overexposed.


Originally Posted by d4vid
I thought Nikon metering system is supposed to be better than Canon?
It still is, it has nothing to do with the metering issue. Read my previous reply carefully before plunging in.
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Old 21st May 2004   #11
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+1EV is too hot. 0.7EV compensation may be too hot sometimes for dominant/important white stuff like wedding gowns. 0.5 is pretty safe but you may not like to work in 1/2 stop increments so the next best thing is 0.3EV. Note that this "underexposure" is intentional as not to blow out the highlights.

If you think the pic looks too dark on screen, you can push up the mids with custom curves. First, you will need to understand how curves work (actually you can play with curves in Photoshop).

At first i thought it's a fault, all that 1005-pixel metering from F5 is just hyped up bull. But after shooting around and comparing with other cams from Canon/Olympus (granted, they are not dSLRs), i came to very much appreciate the 3D Matrix metering system (together with the SB-800 speedlite which also supports a similar technology). It's really superb, esp with custom curves.
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Thanks quekky and espn.
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Originally Posted by d4vid
I thought Nikon metering system is supposed to be better than Canon?
It probably might be

I suggest you read up on the technicals of a digital sensor and why overexposing is worse than underexposing, resulting in nikon selecting a more conservative route for implementation into their dSLRs

On a side note, nikon has been slightly too conservative, thus the use of custom curves.. I have white wedding V3.4 permanently on my D70
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Old 22nd May 2004   #14
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Thank alot guys for your advices, I do learn alot more of my D70 again.
Shall try the custom curve.
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Old 22nd May 2004   #15
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Originally Posted by d4vid
My 300D never underexposed ..

I thought Nikon metering system is supposed to be better than Canon?
Nikon metering is better that's why it underexposed to preserve detail. If u shoot Canon 10D with Nikon D100 under same condition outdoor. You'll find 10D's picture bright and nice, but if u look carefully at the sky, the clouds will be a patch of white sky unlike Nikon where u'll still see the cloud's detail. that's the difference.

Could your 300D have overexposed under contrasty scene but u didn't realised it?.
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This is what I call "Add a little pepper to the dish..."


*espn runs from Pepper
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Old 23rd May 2004   #17
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Just came across this. One is the D70, the other is the 10D. Both are set to P mode.

http://home.earthlink.net/~achiusano/images/screen.jpg
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Old 23rd May 2004   #18
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Originally Posted by 2100
Just came across this. One is the D70, the other is the 10D. Both are set to P mode.

http://home.earthlink.net/~achiusano/images/screen.jpg

Hi 2100,

Do you know which one is D70, I supposed the bottom pic is for D70 ?
Are they using the built-in flash ?
Thanks.
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Old 24th May 2004   #19
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Originally Posted by woofair2004
Hi 2100,

Do you know which one is D70, I supposed the bottom pic is for D70 ?
Are they using the built-in flash ?
Thanks.
I suppose it's the built in flash or the OEM flash, yes the bottom pic is the D70.
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Old 24th May 2004   #20
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Ok, then D70 produce a much solid pic than 10D, thou it is abit underexposed.
Again, over exposed pic cant b saved.
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