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    Hi,

    I'm would like to know, for people shooting street candids of people whom they do not know (in public) and would like to submit a street photo for a contest, do they need to obtain permission from the subjects before submission for the contest?

    What are the implications if, for example, in the T&Cs of the contest, upon submission you will grant them (contest organisers) rights to use your photos as they wish, and your subject chances upon the photo thereafter and demands compensation?

    My consideration now is that since the photos may be used for commercial purposes, as a hobbyist, shouldn't submit the photo because ethically, prior permission has not been obtained from the subjects. It would be a rude shock if the subjects find their photo in some mass media without prior knowledge & consent.

    Thanks alot in advance.
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    Default Re: contest permissions for street candids

    i believe sg doesnt have model release needed hmm... i go check and then update again.

    *edit: so far cant find anything. this was one of the threads in cs. might be helpful.
    http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=651358

    and there is more.
    http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4503989
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    Quote Originally Posted by allenleonhart View Post
    i believe sg doesnt have model release needed hmm... i go check and then update again.

    *edit: so far cant find anything. this was one of the threads in cs. might be helpful.
    http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=651358

    and there is more.
    http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4503989
    Hi allenleonhart,

    Thanks for the links, but they mostly touch on the topic of paid shoots and under-aged models, but what if the subjects are off the street adults who're unaware? Still an informative read though.

    Thanks again. =)
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    Default Re: contest permissions for street candids

    Quote Originally Posted by nissanmanic View Post
    Hi,

    I'm would like to know, for people shooting street candids of people whom they do not know (in public) and would like to submit a street photo for a contest, do they need to obtain permission from the subjects before submission for the contest?

    What are the implications if, for example, in the T&Cs of the contest, upon submission you will grant them (contest organisers) rights to use your photos as they wish, and your subject chances upon the photo thereafter and demands compensation?

    My consideration now is that since the photos may be used for commercial purposes, as a hobbyist, shouldn't submit the photo because ethically, prior permission has not been obtained from the subjects. It would be a rude shock if the subjects find their photo in some mass media without prior knowledge & consent.

    Thanks alot in advance.
    AFAIK, local don't not use model release, hence local photo contest don't require photographers submit a model release together with the photo submission.

    there was a news paper article touch on the topic of do photographers have the righta to take photos of people on the streets a few months ago, you can search this article for your reference.
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    Default Re: contest permissions for street candids

    logic say dont need model release for street candid, else, many peopl can sue TCS SPH liao what.
    photography makes one sees things from all angles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catchlights View Post
    AFAIK, local don't not use model release, hence local photo contest don't require photographers submit a model release together with the photo submission.

    there was a news paper article touch on the topic of do photographers have the righta to take photos of people on the streets a few months ago, you can search this article for your reference.
    Hi catchlights, thanks for the heads up on the reference article, did a search but could only find an article about photographer's rights for streets in London. Just wish to clarify if the article was on The Straits Times? Would like to do a more exact search for the article, thanks alot in advance!

    Quote Originally Posted by denniskee View Post
    logic say dont need model release for street candid, else, many peopl can sue TCS SPH liao what.
    Hi denniskee, although logic might lead to that conclusion, but people in singapore's not very open to having their photos taken in public right? And should (a "what if" scenario) the subject decides to take up a legal case because he is against his (appearing in as a subject) photo being used commercially, isn't it easier to go up against a hobbyist than a media giant like SPH?

    I'm not disputing your logic, it makes sense, I'm just trying to bring up another possibility because the legality of this topic is something that's very foreign to me.

    Thanks for the replies.
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    Default Re: contest permissions for street candids

    Quote Originally Posted by nissanmanic View Post
    Hi catchlights, thanks for the heads up on the reference article, did a search but could only find an article about photographer's rights for streets in London. Just wish to clarify if the article was on The Straits Times? Would like to do a more exact search for the article, thanks alot in advance!



    Hi denniskee, although logic might lead to that conclusion, but people in singapore's not very open to having their photos taken in public right? And should (a "what if" scenario) the subject decides to take up a legal case because he is against his (appearing in as a subject) photo being used commercially, isn't it easier to go up against a hobbyist than a media giant like SPH?

    I'm not disputing your logic, it makes sense, I'm just trying to bring up another possibility because the legality of this topic is something that's very foreign to me.

    Thanks for the replies.
    IIRC, is the THE NEW PAPER, and commented by local lawyer.
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    Default Re: contest permissions for street candids

    Quote Originally Posted by catchlights View Post
    IIRC, is the THE NEW PAPER, and commented by local lawyer.
    Did a search but nothing turned up online, and my family doesn't read TNP. Thanks for helping =)

    I'm considering dropping an email to MICA seeking clarification on this matter. Are they the right government body to approach? Thanks
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    Default Re: contest permissions for street candids

    no its fine. candids/street dun need model release. if i'm not wrong, sg doesnt practise it. we just keep it handy incase we wanna use the photos overseas.

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    Default Re: contest permissions for street candids

    Quote Originally Posted by nissanmanic View Post
    Hi,

    I'm would like to know, for people shooting street candids of people whom they do not know (in public) and would like to submit a street photo for a contest, do they need to obtain permission from the subjects before submission for the contest?

    What are the implications if, for example, in the T&Cs of the contest, upon submission you will grant them (contest organisers) rights to use your photos as they wish, and your subject chances upon the photo thereafter and demands compensation?

    My consideration now is that since the photos may be used for commercial purposes, as a hobbyist, shouldn't submit the photo because ethically, prior permission has not been obtained from the subjects. It would be a rude shock if the subjects find their photo in some mass media without prior knowledge & consent.

    Thanks alot in advance.
    In Singapore, candid photos of people in public places are considered as public domain i.e. no consent or model release is required.

    Do note that Shopping Malls/Hotels/Buses/MRT are private property even though the public has an entitlement to use those places. Therefore you do not have a right to take pictures within the premises and permission must be sought from the owners and model release of each and every image you take. Many people think otherwise that shopping mall is a public place of which it is not. Photographers can be sued for criminal trespass and can be barred from entry.

    Hope that helps.
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    Default Re: contest permissions for street candids

    Quote Originally Posted by nissanmanic View Post

    Hi denniskee, although logic might lead to that conclusion, but people in singapore's not very open to having their photos taken in public right? And should (a "what if" scenario) the subject decides to take up a legal case because he is against his (appearing in as a subject) photo being used commercially, isn't it easier to go up against a hobbyist than a media giant like SPH?
    There's no legal case nor any precedence on this matter. You will not break any law taking photos except it is taken in a manner to cause an outrage of modesty. You can also be arrested for taking photos in or around the MRT/Petrochemical Plants/Power Generation Plants without prior permission.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hotwork77 View Post
    There's no legal case nor any precedence on this matter. You will not break any law taking photos except it is taken in a manner to cause an outrage of modesty. You can also be arrested for taking photos in or around the MRT/Petrochemical Plants/Power Generation Plants without prior permission.
    Quote Originally Posted by hotwork77 View Post
    In Singapore, candid photos of people in public places are considered as public domain i.e. no consent or model release is required.

    Do note that Shopping Malls/Hotels/Buses/MRT are private property even though the public has an entitlement to use those places. Therefore you do not have a right to take pictures within the premises and permission must be sought from the owners and model release of each and every image you take. Many people think otherwise that shopping mall is a public place of which it is not. Photographers can be sued for criminal trespass and can be barred from entry.

    Hope that helps.
    Quote Originally Posted by allenleonhart View Post
    no its fine. candids/street dun need model release. if i'm not wrong, sg doesnt practise it. we just keep it handy incase we wanna use the photos overseas.
    Hi Allenleonhart and Hotwork77. Thanks for the replies, i think i finally get the point, i guess i'm just worrying too much and brain's a little too slow. Noted the point about private vs. public property as well, that advice will be helpful to stay out of trouble.

    Thanks once again to catchlights as well. You guys have been very helpful, very much appreciated. =)
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