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    Default Re: Any photographers experienced 'model' problems?

    how about Buy Sell? also impose fee?

    like what catchlight said, will kena fly aeroplane one lah.... cannot be solved 100%...

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    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    i don't think it will solve the problems
    exactly.
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    Default Re: Any photographers experienced 'model' problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by de_stan View Post
    Honestly Im very OK with that.
    Besides banning TFCDs in CS DOES NOT mean those 'models wannabes' can't get TFCDs elsewhere.
    Or photgraphers will run out of free models to shoot with!
    then the mods will be spending a lot of time to catch illegal activities in CS, maybe need to go for field trips also, so can we draw some salary? since Admin and Mods term are doing volunteer work now.
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    If cannot solve at least can improve ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by catchlights View Post
    then the mods will be spending a lot of time to catch illegal activities in CS, maybe need to go for field trips also, so can we draw some salary? since Admin and Mods term are doing volunteer work now.
    y do u need to do that?
    Wat i meant by outside of CS means other portals like facebook, twitter...etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by de_stan View Post
    If cannot solve at least can improve ?
    sure, once you ask models/shoot organiser to pay...

    then all that will be left are the shoot organisers.

    all the FL model, who want to pay?

    they will just move somewhere else, the people who want to shoot them will move there... and then aeroplane still fly... people still complain.

    but maybe no one will complain here.

    good idea, maybe should implement.

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    Default Re: Any photographers experienced 'model' problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by de_stan View Post
    If cannot solve at least can improve ?
    Quote Originally Posted by de_stan View Post
    y do u need to do that?
    Wat i meant by outside of CS means other portals like facebook, twitter...etc
    "Caveat Emptor"

    imposing a subscription fee will not solve the problem,
    it will be a waste of CS resource to do this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sfoto100 View Post
    how about Buy Sell? also impose fee?

    like what catchlight said, will kena fly aeroplane one lah.... cannot be solved 100%...
    the interesting part is the "aeroplane model" TS mention, was she also in the CS? and any other bad experience with any models found in CS? we don't know.

    anyway, so far only one model already confirmed fled an aeroplane, remarks already left there.
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    Default Re: Any photographers experienced 'model' problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by catchlights View Post
    I guess we have to ban any FREE service eg TFCD for whatever by any other people, to protect the interests of models and photographers who sign up with CS. how does this sound like to you??
    Sound bad.

    If the models/photographers are offering TFCDs and not deriving income from it, not fair to pay subscription fee....

    Anyway, I rather no subscription fee for all..

    I'm not supporting the introduction of fees.. I'm just providing some comments and opinions....

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    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    sure, once you ask models/shoot organiser to pay...

    then all that will be left are the shoot organisers.

    all the FL model, who want to pay?

    they will just move somewhere else, the people who want to shoot them will move there... and then aeroplane still fly... people still complain.

    but maybe no one will complain here.

    good idea, maybe should implement.
    at that time,
    we can proudly claim we don't have any "aeroplane" models issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Limsgp View Post
    Sound bad.

    If the models/photographers are offering TFCDs and not deriving income from it, not fair to pay subscription fee....

    Anyway, I rather no subscription fee for all..

    I'm not supporting the introduction of fees.. I'm just providing some comments and opinions....
    suggest everyone should read the sticky threads in the market place, we have implement a lots of measurement to help and protect every members over the years, for the good of this community.

    if photographers keep looking for models from a wrong channel, the risk of encounter "aeroplane" models will always be there.
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    lol, if there's so many fees in this forums i think the moderators can draw salary soon..
    this kind of situation imo we give and take la, really see if you heng or suay because there are bound to be people out there who fly you aeroplane.. whether it's models, or even when dealing classifieds B&S... black sheeps are uncommon but they're everywhere, just be wary.

    the best way to deal with this is to be more cautious yourself and to warn the community about such people rather than to impose a fee in which will only be a vicious cycle that will affect the rest of the population here, limit growth and worsen traffic, and in the end the advertisers will stop advertising and the forums get no revenue and might have to close down lol

    and if you think about it, i think we've had enough fees to pay everyday already in this country...
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    Default Re: Any photographers experienced 'model' problems?

    Some oversea photographers sharing their experiences, after encounter models found in craigslist aeroplaned them a few times, they said they only look for models thru proper channel like OMP or MM. btw, these photographers are shooting for stock images, not looking for XMM acting cute poses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    sure, once you ask models/shoot organiser to pay...

    then all that will be left are the shoot organisers.

    all the FL model, who want to pay?

    they will just move somewhere else, the people who want to shoot them will move there... and then aeroplane still fly... people still complain.

    but maybe no one will complain here.

    good idea, maybe should implement.
    And your the one complaining CS is a farce to you....'roll eyes'
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    Quote Originally Posted by catchlights View Post
    "Caveat Emptor"

    imposing a subscription fee will not solve the problem,
    it will be a waste of CS resource to do this.
    And the reason for imposing a fee on organised shoot in CS is?
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    Default Re: Any photographers experienced 'model' problems?

    hmmm..

    do CS needs models to support the forum? If not , impose a fee for models ads, so that only serious ones will stay. If none stay, better still. cos the problem of flying models will be no longer a CS problem... ( eg it becomes FB, MM problems).... hence your charging mechanism is no longer needed...

    anyway.. just sharing another story;

    Last year, a fashion designer booked my studio for her fashion shoot and hired a model thru MM. The model came and, out of the blue, left.. I was at the door and I asked her what happened.. she told me, she didnt like the makeup concept... and off she goes.... leaving the fashion designer, photographer, make-up artist and the entire production team in the dark....


    The fashion designer was very furious...

    They manage to get a stand-in model after an hour later....

    So, the story is.. aeroplane models are everywhere, not just in CS. but they are far cheaper to hire. Models from agencies are more reliable but the fees, loading fees etc .. can be very expensive. So it is "needs vs affordability" situation.

    Anyway, the model is no longer in Singapore as she has returned to her Ang Mo land...
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    Default Re: Any photographers experienced 'model' problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by de_stan View Post
    And the reason for imposing a fee on organised shoot in CS is?
    I though you in CS long enough to see all the changes and evolves of the workshop--> organized model shoot----> photoshot?

    since the photoshots are commercialise, so it is right to pay a subscription fee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by catchlights View Post
    I though you in CS long enough to see all the changes and evolves of the workshop--> organized model shoot----> photoshot?

    since the photoshots are commercialise, so it is right to pay a subscription fee.
    Good point, but the models in CS are not exactly shooting for free either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by de_stan View Post
    Good point, but the models in CS are not exactly shooting for free either.
    so are the photographers in Photography Services Directory

    anyway, the term in Photography Services Directory Section is for posting services offered on a personal basis eg freelance, part-time photographers, personal assistants and other photography-related services.

    so the same rule apply to the models. and none of the models is a full time model as far as I know of.

    and base on what reason you think that imposing a subscription fee for models will solve this "aeroplaned" issue?
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    Default Re: Any photographers experienced 'model' problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by catchlights View Post

    and base on what reason you think that imposing a subscription fee for models will solve this "aeroplaned" issue?
    deters "fly by night" want to earn quick bucks models?

    since they are not willing to pay, can see if they are serious enough.

    and those who wish to pay will more committed since they want to earn back their cost if they fly aeroplane=miss opportunity to get paid for job done=fork out money from own pocket=should i pay to advertise myself?
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