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    Default Bright Daylight or late evening around 5 - 6pm

    Hi guys
    i am a long exposure fan ...
    Just wondering do you guys do long ex mostly in bright daylight ( 1 - 4pm )
    or evening ( 5 - 6pm ) ???

    And from your opinion which situation is harder to meter ...
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    Default Re: Bright Daylight or late evening around 5 - 6pm

    To me, there is no such thing as harder to meter. You can meter very harsh light (1pm-4pm) properly and picture come out properly exposed but just that it may not look good because... well, the light is just bland and unexciting.

    If you are trying to smoothen water, 1-2mins should be more than sufficient. If not then try 3-4mins. It all depends on the situation. Clouds are harder because it depends on wind conditions and what you're trying to achieve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    To me, there is no such thing as harder to meter. You can meter very harsh light (1pm-4pm) properly and picture come out properly exposed but just that it may not look good because... well, the light is just bland and unexciting.

    If you are trying to smoothen water, 1-2mins should be more than sufficient. If not then try 3-4mins. It all depends on the situation. Clouds are harder because it depends on wind conditions and what you're trying to achieve.
    Smoothen water can be achieved even with very harsh light ?
    because when i try to meter on 1 - 2pm with 10 stops
    my camera sometimes dun allow me to even have a 1 sec exposure time
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    Default Re: Bright Daylight or late evening around 5 - 6pm

    if you are looking to do long exposure in bright day light.
    most of the time event set at lowest iso and a very small aperture will render you unable to use >1sec exposure before u blow up all the image.
    a ND filter will help in this case.

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    Default Re: Bright Daylight or late evening around 5 - 6pm

    I use a Fader ND for this effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatBozZ View Post
    Smoothen water can be achieved even with very harsh light ?
    because when i try to meter on 1 - 2pm with 10 stops
    my camera sometimes dun allow me to even have a 1 sec exposure time
    At that timing, I normally stack a 10 stop + 3 stop plus close the aperture a bit more; you should be able to get your exposure

    You may be able to get better results than me because my D5000 has base ISO of 200 and max shutter speed of 1/4000 only.

    Of course, now that I have a 6 stop ND filter also...

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    Default Re: Bright Daylight or late evening around 5 - 6pm

    Quote Originally Posted by Anson View Post
    I use a Fader ND for this effect.
    From my understanding, a Fader ND may only go up to 3 stop. ND10, of course, is 10 stop, so the amount of light it stops is a lot less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    ... and max shutter speed of 1/4000 only.
    Actually I'm not sure why I mentioned max shutter speed here since it's not relevent

    I guess the point is, if a shot I take without filter is at 1/4000sec, then with a ND110, it is going to be 1/4secs. Even if I stack another 3 stop filter on it, it's only going to be 2sec. So... either you stack more stops, or change the aperture settings, or something, to make it work. I think you get my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Actually I'm not sure why I mentioned max shutter speed here since it's not relevent

    I guess the point is, if a shot I take without filter is at 1/4000sec, then with a ND110, it is going to be 1/4secs. Even if I stack another 3 stop filter on it, it's only going to be 2sec. So... either you stack more stops, or change the aperture settings, or something, to make it work. I think you get my point.
    I got it ... the magic word is " Stack "



    But normally do u meter the brightest cloud ?
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    Default Re: Bright Daylight or late evening around 5 - 6pm

    You may have better luck with other people on how to do proper metering, as my metering (and I think my computer screen) is a bit kooky, and I more often than not, end up with underexposed pictures (with or without ND, but it has become more of a personal preference).

    But generally I will leave meter however I want it, then if I want a high key photo, I will leave it to expose a bit longer, or a low key photo, then not as much as exact calculations. That's the part where guesstimations will come in.

    I'm also not a fan of stacking but like you said, if you need to take a photo at that bright uninteresting daylight 1-4pm, then you don't have much of a choice. Frankly, a single ND will more than suffice for sunrise and sunsets.
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    Default Re: Bright Daylight or late evening around 5 - 6pm

    Shoot in bright daylight, ND filter is mostly needed.

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    Default Re: Bright Daylight or late evening around 5 - 6pm

    Quote Originally Posted by fatBozZ View Post
    Smoothen water can be achieved even with very harsh light ?
    because when i try to meter on 1 - 2pm with 10 stops
    my camera sometimes dun allow me to even have a 1 sec exposure time
    Yes u can in case of very harsh lights is When filters stacked filters.. i did a 9 stop (ND400) with 10 stop (ND110) on Noon time for a 90s+ exposure.. Though stacking filters which results in deteroirating of iq and funny color casting s strongly discouraged
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    Default Re: Bright Daylight or late evening around 5 - 6pm

    Quote Originally Posted by fatBozZ View Post
    Smoothen water can be achieved even with very harsh light ?
    because when i try to meter on 1 - 2pm with 10 stops
    my camera sometimes dun allow me to even have a 1 sec exposure time
    why you need to meter with filter on?

    just take the meter reading without filter,
    compose your framing,
    put on the filter,
    add 10 stops to your exposure, (manual mode)

    and why you chose a brightest time of the daylight to shoot long exposure?
    even you step down 10 stops, you probably only getting 1 sec shutter speed, is that good enough for you?
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    Default Re: Bright Daylight or late evening around 5 - 6pm

    you need to understand that an ND filter is not some magical godsend which will automatically give you what you want, slapping it in front of your lenses. If the ambient lighting is too strong, you won't get that long exposure you are looking for, regardless of where you meter. Period.

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    Default Re: Bright Daylight or late evening around 5 - 6pm

    Maybe what i should change is the timimg of my shots ...
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    Default Re: Bright Daylight or late evening around 5 - 6pm

    and then maybe you will ask the right question

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