Thanks for the reply, yes very much agree with your concept - think and work harder and not spoon fed. But I really don't know what is the standard and your expectation. When i look at Seniors photos, is so good and it really makes me scared. No one in my family knows about photography and i very much depended on self reading and self taught. Parents can only buy the equipment I think I would need. I hope and look forward to join your outings. BTW, thanks for offering the box for me to stand and you are so kind.. I will try my best to do it on my own in all outings. See seniors soon.