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    daredevil123, lets wait till all programmers hate the SDK released by apple due to the stupid huge restriction and the apps market are crashing down and we come pull this topic back In the mean time we can happily look at android market as well. To those who don't understand a thing about IT, programmers will prefer to write program with a easier and better to use compiler / SDK along with lesser restriction and wider hardware support. Those that are more commercial will factor in security. This is why most mainframes are toward UNIX and home PC are toward Windows. (Look at the computer gaming world and you realised DirectX is the best any game programmer wants to work on.)

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...pps-2010-7.DTL

    BTW, this is getting out of topic from apple possible to make camera to a more techincal overall subject. Wonder if it is better to move this over to the kopitiam section.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wootsk View Post
    Nah, you can get a linux OS and the chances of infection is even lower than apple. The reason why win OS is more often targetted is because most of the people are using win OS and thus it is better to write a trojan targeting win OS for stealing important data. If most of the people are using mac OS, people will start writing trojan targetting mac OS. Customising are more of hardware... Please read more indepth IT documents rather than reviews and on the surface facts from magazines.

    So you mean people need to spend more on a new IPad when new OS is out. That is ridiculous. If you read the news, IPhone 4 is selling at a price of SGD 4K in singapore. http://www.mobinauts.com/index.php?a...&f=29&t=111850
    Hardware review mags sux bcuz its very superficial same for camera/lenses review on magazine, maybe because they want to be politically correct and avoid lawsuits, which is why mostly are overrated. So the objective of virus-programmers is that they just want the end-users' info? i thought they did it for fun to dixiao or crash ppl's pc. Well, businessmen in SG likes to mark up super high especially when it comes to technological stuff that depreciates super fast.

    I won't be surprised that MOBILE virus is up and coming. as more people are using SMART phones with data plans.

    I still don't get the customising part. i thought all PCs are moduler?

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    They are leaked out for a few reason that mostly benefits the programmer. Example like taking control over your computer, getting data from your pc or just spamming Ads. Most of this virus once sent out, spread like wildfire mostly through physical device like thumbdrive, external HDD or through the Internet (Mostly both). Example of advantage for taking over your computer including gathering thousand of infected PC to ping a certain company server and get it crashed (Older server without POD protection and easily subjected to ping attacks). Though there are virus that are create for "fun" purpose.

    Sorry, but my english are quite poor and thus I don't get what you mean by " moduler".

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    modular(spelled wrongly) means you can "plug-and-play" or plug and boost the performance of the pc. Something like a motherboard that has different slots for different component.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atarandas View Post
    LOL nice video. But the Olympus bashing bit is perhaps over done haha



    Agree fully . But we need to be sensitive to the market segmentisation in the consumer camera market. In the professional space, I really do not see any upside for Apple to come in at all.
    Perhaps in the PnS segment, there is some possibility. However, what else can they do and provide innovation to challenge the existing camera Giants ?

    Innovative user interface ? Perhaps we can adjust shutter speed and apperture like how we zoom in and out on Iphone. Thats possible , but that technology is going to come real expensive as they probably have to buy patents to camera user interfaces from other manufacturers.

    What about components and device design ? How can they innovate and break mould of existing PnS cameras ?

    Having considered all these elements , I still think the best bet for Apple is to implement all those improvements on their Iphone. Using the iphone as an integrated device ( phone , camera , video , PDA , email , web browser) , to redefine consumer and individual lifestyle.

    No point going backwards , to make the iphone into a dedicated device and start attaching lens to it right ?
    i have similar views on this one which is why i've already mentioned i wouldn't like apple to enter the camera market - precisely because they'll convince the market to sway and from a hobbyist photographer's point of view, it may be detrimental.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daredevil123 View Post
    You must not be a person working in the technology field. That may explain your ignorance in the computer industry.

    You might ask me how I know so much about Apple. Well, I have to tell you honestly: I cannot tell you why and how I know so much. I just can say I probably know a lot more about Apple than you think. But I can't say too much. NDAs are involved.
    yups, we can have opposing views. but i guess i shouldn't even have posted since i'm just plain ignorant. sorry if i offended you too - but i didn't post with the view that u didn't know about apple, just posted what little i know and the views that i have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkPa1adin View Post
    modular(spelled wrongly) means you can "plug-and-play" or plug and boost the performance of the pc. Something like a motherboard that has different slots for different component.
    It all depends on what you are building. If you are rich, you can always go for the best and confirmed performing good parts (Just don't get a wrong motherboard with wrong processor) and get them together for a good performing computer. But if you are particular, there are alot more stuff like bottlenecking, BIOS type and settings, the chipsets... etc etc. Even the drivers and the type of OS are equally important. I have a friend using a good machine but complain lag to me when playing COD MW2. I went over and did some configuration to him BIOS setting and suddenly, the game seems so smooth.

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    I doubt they will ever enter the camera industry, at least not in the traditional camera sense.

    The DSLR market is hard to crack.

    Traditionally Apple was never a camera company. They tried, and they failed. I don't think Steve Jobs forgot about that. After all, he was the one who streamlined Apple's products when he came back to Apple. Yes they weren't traditionally a PMP company either, but back then that market was relatively new. People didn't know they could get so much space in such a small package. When the market is new, the benchmarks are low and people tend to be more affected by marketing hype. But in a market as established as the DSLR market, the benchmarks are extremely high. All the marketing in the world wouldn't help if your DSLR only have one lens, the kit lens. (It would of course be the new "DSLR" for people who used to buy DSLR to look cool and "hip" in the first place. But I wouldn't mind at all if they all move there. That means Buy & Sell would have lots of cheap camera. )

    A phone and a PMP (Portable media player, which is the proper term for an iPod) is a buy-and-throw object; you can replace it instantly simply by buying a new one. A new phone means you have to copy contacts to sim card and then back to the new phone (that's for the older phones. Nowadays it's all "in the clouds". I can recover my contacts from Google in 5 minutes). A new PMP means you just plug it into your computer and sync or drag and drop.

    To change a DSLR system you need to sell all your lenses, then the body. I don't know how many of you would change to an Apple-branded DSLR, but personally I wouldn't trust them with a camera. Apple's modus operandi have always been to artificially limit a product in one way or another. App Store is a good example, but so is Mac OS X itself. Then there is also the iOS. Apple's aims have always been to provide a sense of "prestige and coolness" to their products and they do that by building walls around their products so that their buyers can claim exclusivity.

    I don't think they will enter the PnS market either because it's exactly like the netbook market. Profit margins are too low. Apple's marketing can easily justify a 30 to 50% price premium for their products. But in the PnS market, 30% to 50% amounts to maybe $150? Too little for them, I would think.

    If they ever enter the market again, it would be simply by adding a camera to the iPod Touch. That I think will be their only chance at ever causing a dent (or a big hole) in the camera market.
    Last edited by alfredlau; 19th July 2010 at 01:41 AM.

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    yup unless they are going all out spending 99% of their assets just to prove they "canikon".
    Would incorporating PS in incamera editing be something good with "professional license release" to allow you to use it for businesses? Would working on the digital (technology) zoom or digital manipulation of pixels to be close to reality a hit? (sounds like "fill-content aware" hor?) instead of dealing w them at an optical level?

    I seriously didn't know they try to buy Adobe... if they did then the whole production(image/video) world would be APPLE(Adobe/Macromedia) vs AVID. but AVID imo still have the upper hand in sound! pro tools

    From previous posts, i don't think they will enter the just camera market. meaning they won't specialise in cam manufacturing. They would rather think of multiple needs solved incorporated in a device. so what will they MAKE NEXT?

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    My opinion, as an ex Apple insider, I hope not

    Not everything they do turns to gold. I remembered the Quadra during the Macintosh era.

    Also, the Apple Server running A/UX.

    But I suppose, Apple has turned into a lifestyle company rather than a computer company.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dingaroo View Post
    But I suppose, Apple has turned into a lifestyle company rather than a computer company.
    Agree with it bro. But what I feel is that they can still try to hit the comsumer market and create sometime of a fashion statement for photography (maybe they can try social camera which can upload every shots into facebook at the push of a button or something along the line?). But not in the serious and pro shooter section.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dingaroo View Post
    My opinion, as an ex Apple insider, I hope not

    Not everything they do turns to gold. I remembered the Quadra during the Macintosh era.

    Also, the Apple Server running A/UX.

    But I suppose, Apple has turned into a lifestyle company rather than a computer company.


    They sold out bro. They sold out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mogwai View Post
    yups, we can have opposing views. but i guess i shouldn't even have posted since i'm just plain ignorant. sorry if i offended you too - but i didn't post with the view that u didn't know about apple, just posted what little i know and the views that i have.
    No need to apologize. Everyone can have their own views. Just that by sharing we can get more information so our views are more attuned to reality.

    You really have to be there to know what really happened. I was. I lived and worked in the Silicon Valley for 12 years during the times when it all happened.

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    i'm an anti-apple so i wont be bothered lol

    personally i just cant stand steve hob's arrogant behavior (he invented video call??? ya rite...) and pay more for less (hardware wise, apple charge more for similar hardware spec)
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    +2 I agreed that Apple xformed into lifestyle company than computer company. Even their entry level macbook pro, the $$$$ can consider getting a dell's alien laptop. Well, YOU PAY FOR LIFESTYLE MAH!!!

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