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    Scott Bourne gives his 2 cents on forums with critique sections filled with amateurs and rude people.

    http://goingpro2010.com/?p=574

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    good read.

    Thanks for the link. =)
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    thanks for sharing. a very good read, something a lot of us in CS (since this IS an online forum) could learn from, myself included.

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    Nice read. Thanks for sharing.

    ps. Don't forget to chk the posting history of the critique

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    Nice..thks for sharing
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    Default Re: Feedback Its a Matter of Authority & Credibility

    sorry, but i find it funny that people needs such "advice" unless the readers are kids.

    as adults, you mean with all the life experience you have, you dont even know whose advice you should listen to / need advice to know whose advice you should listen to?
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    good article!

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    is a "good" photo supposed to have mass appeal?

    sometimes photography reminds me of art i see in museums.

    some supposedly famous ones (and presumably, technically superb) look like crap to me. will it be wrong to opine as such?

    but i agree with the general idea. if you don't know what you're talking about, then don't talk so much!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mayhemics View Post
    is a "good" photo supposed to have mass appeal?

    sometimes photography reminds me of art i see in museums.

    some supposedly famous ones (and presumably, technically superb) look like crap to me. will it be wrong to opine as such?

    but i agree with the general idea. if you don't know what you're talking about, then don't talk so much!
    I think it's more about counter checking with others and get some opinions...of course the TS got to take comments posted with a pinch of salt....
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    Quote Originally Posted by mayhemics View Post
    is a "good" photo supposed to have mass appeal?

    sometimes photography reminds me of art i see in museums.

    some supposedly famous ones (and presumably, technically superb) look like crap to me. will it be wrong to opine as such?

    but i agree with the general idea. if you don't know what you're talking about, then don't talk so much!
    i think there r 2 possibilities :

    1) viewer also artist, but may be of different decipline , eg
    painter viewing photo
    or viewer r trained and has make a name for himself, photo of a portrait has to be clear, not motion blur (there r a photog who had exhibition and books with motion blur one, cant remember the name though).
    so they see / judge differently.

    2) may be when a artist hits a certain level of proficiency, regardless of the decipline, they can appreciate other art form and make comment.

    either case, who can say it is right or wrong.

    the part about inter-net user not using their real name, does it matter? do you think our SMM, SM, PM will use their own name? does that means their comments on ecconomics forum are crap (i sure if they do participate in such inter-net forum though)?
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    Is pros always correct in the first place? Just cos they are pro and experienced doesnt means they are always right? People makes mistakes so do pros.

    I think bottom line is one must be able to accept comments from pros, amatuers and non photographers be it good or bad and is always looking to improve.

    Reason being simple, sometimes people sees what you don't sees.

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    The age-old singsong in this article: one must be of the same profession in order to give critique that can be considered serious and with weight. Sometimes I think it's a mantra of those you cannot accept other people's opinion and first look for possibilities to remove any hint of credibility from the person just voicing an opinion. But how many of those who by profession, certificate or reputation would be entitled to critique (according the author's opinion) are really able to teach and spread knowledge? Knowing something and teaching something are different things altogether.
    So a customer ordering wedding photos shall shut up and pay - because he has never done any wedding shoot and is therefore not entitled to give any critique? Only painters and other kinds of visual artists shall visit an art exhibition? Everybody else obviously would not be worth looking at the work or even opening the mouth..? Crazy, weird, narrow-minded.
    Remarks about 'people hiding behind the screen' or 'hiding behind nick names' only show that the author has not arrived in the age of Internet. It's common - and it's useless to comment on that. Finally, there are more sources for opinion and guidance than the Internet alone - and here I can agree with the author. A vivid discussion about work of all kinds is best done face 2 face where a real dialog can bring up more than just postings in Internet.
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    Wonderfully written article, right to the point.

    And it applies to the Portraits and Poses gallery here in CS. And this reminds me of one called DP.

    Just to put it bluntly, putting up picture in P&P is like being a masochist, subjecting oneself to some serious whacking by those sadist hawks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sinned79 View Post
    I think bottom line is one must be able to accept comments from pros, amatuers and non photographers be it good or bad and is always looking to improve.

    Reason being simple, sometimes people sees what you don't sees.
    This works for me. (sound like a common comment in C&C).
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    I for one, absolutely do not agree with what this person is saying.
    Especially on his example on "Brain surgery". That i could agree, if you are not a qualified surgeon, u better dun give any comments.

    Photography however, is different. It's a matter of perception, what is nice, what is not nice, it innate to every human being, or if i may put it, it's unique to every single person.
    No one can tell you, "Hey, you are wrong, this picture really looks nice, your opinion is wrong"

    Just a final note. Whatever i said, only applies if ppl are unbiased, and are open minded lot. Ppl tends to support ppl they know, tends to be mean to newcomers. That's the social aspect of ppl, which is unavoidable in itself.

    But to say that....(in photography) ... whether a person has the right to criticize, only if that person has already achieved something in photography... is utter crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mascaporne View Post
    Just a final note. Whatever i said, only applies if ppl are unbiased, and are open minded lot. Ppl tends to support ppl they know, tends to be mean to newcomers. That's the social aspect of ppl, which is unavoidable in itself.

    But to say that....(in photography) ... whether a person has the right to criticize, only if that person has already achieved something in photography... is utter crap.
    correct. Thats what i am saying also.

    Cos everyone have egos, just like pros, so even if they are wrong, they will still stick to their views for the sake of credibility cos he cannot shows that he is unsure of himself since he is a pro that is being looked upon by others. So he will die die say "no! Noooo! NO!" even though sometimes its a yes answer.

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    Thanks for the sharing certainly true in a way.
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    he said in closing
    "If you want real, valuable critiques, get them from respected mentors at national trade associations, from teachers and peers who have experience in your genre of photography, from BUYERS, agents, gallery owners, etc. Their opinions matter. The opinions of anonymous trolls who probably never sold a photo in their lives not so much!"

    I wonder who are the buyers for the genre of photography.... wedding photography......

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    Quote Originally Posted by alantkh View Post
    I wonder who are the buyers for the genre of photography.... wedding photography......
    Newly wed couples, wedding boutique, wedding events coy etc...?
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    hmmm... why would some people criticize other's work so much, esp. if the newbie wants to enter the same market as the critics?

    photography is a science and art... there are technical shooters, and there are artistic shooters. every person sees the world differently. i can be shooting the same event as my friend but our pictures come out different... he has one perspective, i have another. learning to see and appreciate each other's photos is impt.

    there will never be a shortage of critical critics. there are those who critic who will help you improve, but there are those who critic to tear you down. i believe true mentors want to help a person improve... so choose wisely what you hear.
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