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    Default GND or no GND for sunset?

    Had wanted to post these pics for critique but because I was comparing more than 1 pics my post was deleted. Anyway, hope this is the place to post.


    Got sight of this awesome sunset view yesterday after the big rain outside my HBD flat and immediately grabbed my cam to take the following shots....

    Using UWA at 11mm to capture the whole area of cloud formation which was so majestic with the setting sun as a backdrop lighting up the blue sky and some of the HDB at the bottom. Sun area a bit overexposed with highlights, but if i lower the exposure, the HDB wont be seen that clearly... esp the sun's rays hitting the flats on the bottom right.



    Few mins later, using another zoom lens at 28mm, to zoom in a bit and cut off the HDB, the exposure was reduced and the lighting seems better with the 'tobacco' & smokey effect colors in the sky. But this time, the bottom HDBs are totally out...



    Only remembered a GND filter could be used and tried it out today, but it seems with sun in the middle, the GND effect wont work because top part is totally underexposed...


    Appreciate any comments on this dilenma.... or any comments on how to improve the shot? Should HDBs be included? My GND usage wrong?

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    Default Re: GND or no GND for sunset?

    What you need is a Reverse GND, not the regular GND. You could also do HDR.
    Last edited by vngks; 26th June 2010 at 08:09 PM.

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    Default Re: GND or no GND for sunset?

    Bracket and blend layers in Photoshop. Never need another GND filter ever again.

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    Default Re: GND or no GND for sunset?

    In some situations layering will work, in some situations GND will work better. In some situations, you need to use both GND and layering.

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    Default Re: GND or no GND for sunset?

    Quote Originally Posted by vngks View Post
    What you need is a Reverse GND, not the regular GND. You could also do HDR.
    oh you mean one of those GND with a darker middle section ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by daredevil123 View Post
    In some situations layering will work, in some situations GND will work better. In some situations, you need to use both GND and layering.
    Hmmm.... Which situation will a GND work but not bracketing/blending?

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    Singh Ray reverse GND. Not sure if other brands carry them.
    http://www.singh-ray.com/reversegrads.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManWearPants View Post
    Singh Ray reverse GND. Not sure if other brands carry them.
    http://www.singh-ray.com/reversegrads.html
    just curious,whats the different between reverse gnd and the normal gnd filter?

    abit confusing


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    Default Re: GND or no GND for sunset?

    It should be rather clear on Singh Ray's website:

    The Benefits of Galen Rowell's Graduated Neutral Density Filters
    http://www.singh-ray.com/grndgrads.html


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    Daryl Benson Reverse Neutral Density Graduated Filters

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    anybody bought this before? easy to get in shops here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daddypal View Post
    just curious,whats the different between reverse gnd and the normal gnd filter?

    abit confusing


    hahaha
    Okay. Let me try to explain this.

    Normal GND dark-light-clear
    Reverse GND light-dark-clear

    In reverse GND, the gradient goes from light to dark in the middle, before cutting off into clear glass.

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    whoa... did not know that such a filter existed.... End of the day, I guess its hard work... that counts... whether making the effort to use a GND or PP afterwards.

    Learned quite a lot of new things though... will check out and learn blending/layering too...

    Thank all bros for the lessons taught... cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabee View Post
    Bracket and blend layers in Photoshop. Never need another GND filter ever again.
    i beg to differ.. GND still essential in bringing the the diff between the 2 (BG/FG) closer and helps in retaining more highligts details though the effect of it can be easily replicated with digital blending..
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    yeap, i do both GND + post processing without hesitation because u need these techniques to make up for the limited dynamic range of our cameras. The point of GND is not to make the sky darker, but to make the foreground lighter :P But many sunset pics featuring totally dark foreground + silhuettes also work because less details make the viewer concentrate more on the beautiful sun instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dacteo View Post
    anybody bought this before? easy to get in shops here?
    Dun think so David... u hd better luck online with US cam stores..

    And for ur info, these are freakingly exp but freakingly gd as well
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    Default Re: GND or no GND for sunset?

    What is the right stop GND for sunset?

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