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    Default Re: Recommendation in buying a new DSLR(Beginner)

    Let me go thru everything again...

    1st,i posted this:

    Quote Originally Posted by cleonbus View Post
    Depends on you.18-55 would be good for landscapes as its 18mm wide whereas your 28-200 is only 28mm wide
    It means that 18mm is NATURALLY WIDER than 28mm.

    Then,ovaltinemilo posted this:

    Quote Originally Posted by ovaltinemilo View Post
    It's not even that wide...
    18mm not wide meh??

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    Quote Originally Posted by ovaltinemilo View Post
    Then how to get 10mm wider?
    28mm x 1.5(Lets say its 1.5x) = 42mm --> don't understand
    10mm is BEFORE i x1.5 lah...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Octarine View Post
    cleonbus / ovaltinemilo: Slow down, guys! You are both right. But you seem to stand back to back shouting in different directions.. still blaming the other one for not listening
    is it?
    ok, time for a mediator...
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilsonczh View Post
    So I should purchase together with the kit? Isit risky to just purchase the body?
    Quote Originally Posted by cleonbus View Post
    Depends on you.18-55 would be good for landscapes as its 18mm wide whereas your 28-200 is only 28mm wide
    Ok. To tell you my side of the story...
    TS is thinking to get an APSC sensor DSLR. So I said tt "28mm" is not even 28mm wide on that cropped sized body... any misunderstanding?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ovaltinemilo View Post
    Ok. To tell you my side of the story...
    TS is thinking to get an APSC sensor DSLR. So I said tt "28mm" is not even 28mm wide on that cropped sized body... any misunderstanding?
    Yes.That is why i told TS to get the 18-55...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cleonbus View Post
    Let me go thru everything again...
    It means that 18mm is NATURALLY WIDER than 28mm.
    of course 18mm is wider than 28mm but if you mount both the 18-55mm and 28-200mm on an APSC sensor DSLR. Tt 28mm lens is not going to give you 10mm wider than the 18-55mm lens...this is the part I'm confused with your "10mm wider" comment...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ovaltinemilo View Post
    of course 18mm is wider than 28mm but if you mount both the 18-55mm and 28-200mm on an APSC sensor DSLR. Tt 28mm lens is not going to give you 10mm wider than the 18-55mm lens...
    Ya ok ok is 15mm lah.You win...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ovaltinemilo View Post
    ...this is the part I'm confused with your "10mm wider" comment...
    Cos i haven't bring my calculator to the table mah so haven x1.5 yet.After you start posting then i brought my calculator then start x1.5.

    P.S Are you trying to find trouble with me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cleonbus View Post
    Cos i haven't bring my calculator to the table mah so haven x1.5 yet.After you start posting then i brought my calculator then start x1.5.

    P.S Are you trying to find trouble with me?
    Due to job nature, I seldom use calculator on this kinda math...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ovaltinemilo View Post
    Due to job nature, I seldom use calculator on this kinda math...
    Sorry,i do not do photography for a living.If you cannot catch what i'm trying to say,too bad...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cleonbus View Post
    Sorry,i do not do photography for a living.If you cannot catch what i'm trying to say,too bad...
    i do not do photography for a living too. Did you mean you need to use a calculator to find out 10 x 1.5=?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ovaltinemilo View Post
    i do not do photography for a living too. Did you mean you need to use a calculator to find out 10 x 1.5=?
    Yes.Cos my maths is lousy so i need a calculator.Any problem with that?Are you trying to find trouble with me?

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    pls re-read again and find out why I put up a comparison of FF and APSC when talk about crop factor. Included here for your convenience.

    Quote Originally Posted by ovaltinemilo

    TS and Cleonbus,



    Basically, cropped sensor as its name suggested, is cropped. Thus, the field of view is also cropped. Just like the image shows, a FX circle on a DX sensor means there's a cropping effect...
    reposting on behalf of Bro Octarine again, if you wana read up...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ovaltinemilo View Post
    pls re-read again and find out why I put up a comparison of FF and APSC when talk about crop factor. Included here for your convenience.



    reposting on behalf of Bro Octarine again, if you wana read up...


    Can someone wake ovaltinemilo up?This guy is simply trying to find trouble with me.I already made things clear.Haizzzzzzzzzzzzzz.............
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    Guys relax, haha. But well, I want to know which dslr will be the best among the 4 options that I've stated. I don't mind reusing the old lens, I also don't mind to buy another brand and keep the lens so that I may want to use the film slr occasionally. And I do not want to get a dslr and find out that the other models are better and feel regret eventually. Well, I've already planned what I'm going to take after I purchase one. I would like to take some night shots (e.g helix bridge, flyers etc.) and I may wanna go for sunrise and sunset, so I wonder which of the dslr that I've stated can satisfy me with what I need?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilsonczh View Post
    Guys relax, haha. But well, I want to know which dslr will be the best among the 4 options that I've stated. I don't mind reusing the old lens, I also don't mind to buy another brand and keep the lens so that I may want to use the film slr occasionally. And I do not want to get a dslr and find out that the other models are better and feel regret eventually. Well, I've already planned what I'm going to take after I purchase one. I would like to take some night shots (e.g helix bridge, flyers etc.) and I may wanna go for sunrise and sunset, so I wonder which of the dslr that I've stated can satisfy me with what I need?
    I am VERY relax already.ovaltinemilo is simply making me more 'not so relax'.For sunrise & sunset,you might wanna consider getting a tripod and some square filters

    P.S Pentax K-x is good for high ISO

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    Quote Originally Posted by cleonbus View Post
    I am VERY relax already.ovaltinemilo is simply making me more 'not so relax'.For sunrise & sunset,you might wanna consider getting a tripod and some square filters

    P.S Pentax K-x is good for high ISO
    Hmmm but no choice, courts doesn't offer pentax. Haha well, which of the 4DSLR that I've mentioned is good for the ISO thingy? Just compare with the 4 models alright? Cos if compare with others, there will be a no ending to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilsonczh View Post
    Hmmm but no choice, courts doesn't offer pentax. Haha well, which of the 4DSLR that I've mentioned is good for the ISO thingy? Just compare with the 4 models alright? Cos if compare with others, there will be a no ending to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Octarine View Post
    www.dpreview.com
    Why courts? Do you need the insurance package for 5 years that even covers owners clumsiness?
    Nah. I'm intending to pay my installment and its 0% interest if pay by credit. Thats why.
    And I've read up some reviews of Canon 1000D, Nikon D3000, and Sony A230. I know that A230 picture quality when above ISO400 will not be as good as Canon's and Nikon's. But now I wonder, between D3000 and 1000D, which one will gives the best ISO?

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    Default Re: Recommendation in buying a new DSLR(Beginner)

    Actually talking about 10mm or 15mm wider is not very informative.

    The most accurate way is to talk about angle of view. If you look at focal length, 1mm difference in the wide end is larger angle difference than 1mm difference in the tele end.

    So (18mm to 28mm difference in angle of view) is a lot larger than (150mm to 200mm difference in angle of view)

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