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    Default low-light condition: 7D or D300s

    Hi all,

    Between the 2 dslr, which performs better in low-light condition?
    Given that both are using similar lens.

    How about the difference between the 2 dslr's AF?

    Thanks.

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    Is it REALLY so hard to do a little basic research of your own?

    http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos7d/page15.asp

    Conclusion: Both are about the same.
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    Default Re: low-light condition: 7D or D300s

    Quote Originally Posted by keatx View Post
    Hi all,

    Between the 2 dslr, which performs better in low-light condition?
    Given that both are using similar lens.

    How about the difference between the 2 dslr's AF?

    Thanks.
    your question is something that should be asked to a professional camera review website, not a predominantly hobbyist forum like Clubsnap.
    As Rashkae pointed out, the comparison has been done by DPReview, which is like.... one of the most popular camera/lens review sites, and is pretty much the first site that people go to for answers to such questions...
    Exploring! :)

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    Oh ok.
    thanks for the link.

    I didn't stumble upon that page cos i have been looking at the specs of the dslr which is normally listed on the first few pages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keatx View Post
    Oh ok.
    thanks for the link.

    I didn't stumble upon that page cos i have been looking at the specs of the dslr which is normally listed on the first few pages.
    I usually skip the first few pages. :P

    If you're buying a totally new camera, do consider the D700 and D3.
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    Default Re: low-light condition: 7D or D300s

    Here is another one that may help you decide better Canon 7D vs. Nikon D300s
    Photography? It's all in your mind...

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    Default Re: low-light condition: 7D or D300s

    one of the sites that does comparisons amongst many others

    http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM.
    choose the cameras and compare away ..

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    Default Re: low-light condition: 7D or D300s

    Quote Originally Posted by keatx View Post
    Oh ok.
    thanks for the link.

    I didn't stumble upon that page cos i have been looking at the specs of the dslr which is normally listed on the first few pages.
    In simple terms, both bodies are cropped frame, they're not well in handling low light. Full frame can handle better in low light since bigger sensor.

    Remember to consider the lenses as well.

    If you're talking about which camera can handle better its ISO (see ISO test review), probably is a better question than asking which camera can handle low light. Since low light photography is dependent on your lens' aperture. How much you let light into the camera sensor, is the key through your lens. Cropped bodies is limited in this aspect.

    You may read on this review. It's short and simple, cover your AF question as well.

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    Default Re: low-light condition: 7D or D300s

    Quote Originally Posted by wmayeo View Post
    In simple terms, both bodies are cropped frame, they're not well in handling low light. Full frame can handle better in low light since bigger sensor.
    hmmm...

    You should take a look at digital cameras just 4-5 years back. Crop sensor cameras high ISO noise is already considered very good already nowadays... compare to a few years back...

    They are just not as good a FF sensors of the same generation. Doesn't mean they are not good la.

    Aiyoh. That's the problem nowadays, the industry makes it better and better, and ended up just making the users demand more and more...

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    Quote Originally Posted by daredevil123 View Post
    hmmm...

    You should take a look at digital cameras just 4-5 years back. Crop sensor cameras high ISO noise is already considered very good already nowadays... compare to a few years back...

    They are just not as good a FF sensors of the same generation. Doesn't mean they are not good la.

    Aiyoh. That's the problem nowadays, the industry makes it better and better, and ended up just making the users demand more and more...
    Agree.

    but after seeing D3 ISO performance, I'll

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    Quote Originally Posted by wmayeo View Post
    Agree.

    but after seeing D3 ISO performance, I'll
    And you haven't even seen the performance of D3s...

    you will faint.

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    Default Re: low-light condition: 7D or D300s

    Quote Originally Posted by keatx View Post
    Hi all,

    Between the 2 dslr, which performs better in low-light condition?
    Given that both are using similar lens.

    How about the difference between the 2 dslr's AF?

    Thanks.
    given the difference is marginal for both, i would choose d300s.

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    Default Re: low-light condition: 7D or D300s

    Do people really choose one camera over the other, simply because the noise level at ISO 6400 is lower than the competitor by some marginal amount?
    wow... eye-opener...

    To me, the choice between 7D and D300s would boil down to many many factors, not just high ISO performance.
    Exploring! :)

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    I use the following site for reference frequently...

    http://www.dxomark.com/

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    Default Re: low-light condition: 7D or D300s

    Quote Originally Posted by ZerocoolAstra View Post
    Do people really choose one camera over the other, simply because the noise level at ISO 6400 is lower than the competitor by some marginal amount?
    wow... eye-opener...

    To me, the choice between 7D and D300s would boil down to many many factors, not just high ISO performance.
    That's the problem nwadays bro, they cant see the big picture..

    Alot other misc factors should be taken into consideration when choosing systems..

    u need to factor in cost, lens range, accessories availability, ergonomics, external lighting capabilities etc etc...

    TS, i m nt saying Canon is not good in anyway.. but advise u shud do the same.. see everything as a whole..

    7D beats D300s hands down in terms of megapixels, iso performance, Full hd video, to list a few.

    But to me, at the end of the day, i still opt for Nikon becos of ergonomics, AF performance, CLS, lens range (esp UWA/Macro) ... But tat said.. is still an individual choice..

    So... Some food for thoughts eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Numnumball View Post
    That's the problem nwadays bro, they cant see the big picture..

    Alot other misc factors should be taken into consideration when choosing systems..

    u need to factor in cost, lens range, accessories availability, ergonomics, external lighting capabilities etc etc...

    TS, i m nt saying Canon is not good in anyway.. but advise u shud do the same.. see everything as a whole..

    7D beats D300s hands down in terms of megapixels, iso performance, Full hd video, to list a few.

    But to me, at the end of the day, i still opt for Nikon becos of ergonomics, AF performance, CLS, lens range (esp UWA/Macro) ... But tat said.. is still an individual choice..

    So... Some food for thoughts eh?

    Cheers

    Bryan
    +1

    And may I add, the 7D only beat the D300s very slightly in high ISO performance.

    In the end everyone will choose different systems due to different needs.

    But to choose between 2 cameras just solely by pixel peeping, that is quite IMHO.

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    Default Re: low-light condition: 7D or D300s

    If low light and AF is your concern, get the D700 or D3s.

    If Low light, resolution and movie is your concern, 5D mkII.

    If $$ is your concern, 2nd hand 5D.

    7D and D300s IQ are not made for low light. For Af, both have fantastic AF modules for good and bad light.
    I know. I own a 7D.
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    Default Re: low-light condition: 7D or D300s

    Quote Originally Posted by nkhoo View Post
    If low light and AF is your concern, get the D700 or D3s.

    If Low light, resolution and movie is your concern, 5D mkII.

    If $$ is your concern, 2nd hand 5D.

    7D and D300s IQ are not made for low light. For Af, both have fantastic AF modules for good and bad light.
    I know. I own a 7D.
    Again, let me repost what I wrote a couple of posts up. Question is: how many casual users really really need that super low noise high ISO performance in their shooting? I know some serious pros and some serious hobbyists do need it after hitting the wall in the stuff they want to do in crop sensors. But TS should re-evaluate his/her needs and priorities.

    Quote Originally Posted by daredevil123 View Post
    hmmm...

    You should take a look at digital cameras just 4-5 years back. Crop sensor cameras high ISO noise is already considered very good already nowadays... compare to a few years back...

    They are just not as good a FF sensors of the same generation. Doesn't mean they are not good la.

    Aiyoh. That's the problem nowadays, the industry makes it better and better, and ended up just making the users demand more and more...
    Last edited by daredevil123; 18th June 2010 at 01:15 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daredevil123 View Post
    Again, let me repost what I wrote a couple of posts up.
    I agree.

    But if TS's concern is about low light shooting, he shouldn't even consider a crop sensor camera as, even though the IQ has improved from last time, a FF sensor is still the best for low light photography.

    I felt that TS should know that the best camera for low light photography, is a FF one, thus his comparison of 7D and D300s for low light is really pointless.

    I guess now a days, its not a matter of how many people needing super low noise, but how many people want and can afford to get super low noise in their photos. If TS has the means, then he should know what is the best he can buy with his $.
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    Default Re: low-light condition: 7D or D300s

    Quote Originally Posted by nkhoo View Post
    I agree.

    But if TS's concern is about low light shooting, he shouldn't even consider a crop sensor camera as, even though the IQ has improved from last time, a FF sensor is still the best for low light photography.

    I felt that TS should know that the best camera for low light photography, is a FF one, thus his comparison of 7D and D300s for low light is really pointless.

    I guess now a days, its not a matter of how many people needing super low noise, but how many people want and can afford to get super low noise in their photos. If TS has the means, then he should know what is the best he can buy with his $.
    Ya. But have to admit, wanting and needing is 2 different things.

    Nowadays, I have seen too many super clean noise free, terrible pictures...

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