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    Quote Originally Posted by Volks View Post
    If I am TS, I would shower the $1.65 to a Photogr with that good track record instead of spending on the other 2 to split the loot

    Free service is 'not' wrong but should be viewed with highest suspicious unless one doesn't believe in golden business equation of Quality Time = $
    $1.65 and you want a photographer with a good track record???
    I get paid more shooting part time ...... damn, I should find more time to shoot part time

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    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    why would he shoot at f/20 ANYWAYS?
    I wonder why too. For this kind of shots, don't need f20. Maybe that's his fav aperture. But still I'm curious to know why he did so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yqt View Post
    $1.65 and you want a photographer with a good track record???
    Good track record for a proper 'record'

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    Quote Originally Posted by yqt View Post
    actually, there's nothing wrong to shoot at f20, some pros shoot at max f. whenever possible.

    (Edit: should not have add the quote )
    but why?

    in a studio, you can control the light...? i don't do much studio, but i've played before and you really don't need such high f-stops because it achieves nothing imho..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volks View Post
    If I am TS, I would shower the $1.65 to a Photogr with that good track record instead of spending on the other 2 to split the loot
    With the benefit of hindsight If I were TS and since I would be wanting to design a website, I would let a design house handle the whole project. They would know who to use for such type of photography. It's the stress that I would not want to go through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowspeeder View Post
    I wonder why too. For this kind of shots, don't need f20. Maybe that's his fav aperture. But still I'm curious to know why he did so.
    It is indeed strange to go into such extreme apertures for indoor studio work.

    And the shutter speed is like 1/250 at f20 ISO 100, no wonder the sever underexposure, unless he is heavily vested in studio lights, which obviously isn't so, looking at the underexposure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    why would he shoot at f/20 ANYWAYS?
    some time 500ws studio strobe also too power for digital.

    look at the shadows, one studio light already gave f11~f16 at minimum power, two lights will give f22 liao lor.
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    lol f20...

    liddat I think I newbie like me also can do professional studio shoot

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    it is not strange to shoot at such aperture setting in a studio, I usually shoot at f11~f13 for full length portrait,

    for produce shots, you need the all the edges of the products able to define, so the designer can do a edge out if he see there is a need, so usually using f22 or even higher for small products.
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    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    but why?

    in a studio, you can control the light...? i don't do much studio, but i've played before and you really don't need such high f-stops because it achieves nothing imho..
    For me when doing "mess production" shots, shooting at f.20 gives me the option to step down ( shooting a lighter colour product ) and opening up ( shooting a darker product ) without adjusting the lights and keep a consistant light set up thus, shoot faster and more importantly, having enough depth of field when I need to open up the f. Just one of the reasons why some perfers to shoot at higher f.
    Last edited by yqt; 15th June 2010 at 07:18 PM.
    I get paid more shooting part time ...... damn, I should find more time to shoot part time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion View Post
    Okay, I'll put you on top my my list of free photographers in my next catalogue shoot.

    But please make sure you clean your camera sensor first.
    No problem, but you must make sure the models are young and beautiful

    Also don't expect DSLR quality picture, my best camera is a F72EXR

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    Quote Originally Posted by artspraken View Post
    lol f20...

    liddat I think I newbie like me also can do professional studio shoot
    There's more to professional studio shots than just shooting at f.20
    I get paid more shooting part time ...... damn, I should find more time to shoot part time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volks View Post
    Good track record for a proper 'record'
    at One Doller and Sixty Five cents?

    I think you mean $1.65K just pulling your leg for your typo error
    I get paid more shooting part time ...... damn, I should find more time to shoot part time

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    It's difficult to explain why the need for such small apertures to those who are not aware of the factors involved. Kudos to Catchlights and yqt for sharing.

    This whole incident is sad because there are so many amateurs posing as professional around these days, an inexperienced buyer will never be able to tell the difference especially if kenar 'sweet talk'.

    As mentioned earlier, it doesn't make sense that three 'professionals' fee would be so low. Any one person in that group (Photographer, Stylist, Art Director) would have single-handedly commanded the entire $1.4K alone.

    Instead of jumping for joy at finding such a 'good' deal, I would have been highly suspicious and very cautious if I didn't have experience hiring an AD, Stylist and Photographer. If it sounds too good to be true, then it probably isn't true, or one has to take enormous risks as part of the 'bargain'.

    I would have consulted friends or colleagues who have done similar projects before.

    As is, heart pain, so much stress and suffering even through pregnancy and in the end have to pay more and still get sub-standard work.

    Hope TS will be able to get the DI artist to do more salvage because it seems doable, and that potential Clients will see the dangers of trying to save a few dollars and in the end, the damages usually amount to a whole lot more - because it's not only the actual money wasted, but also image (and impression of) professionalism of a company/product/service, the opportunity to create desire for the product(s) is lost and so is consumer preference and trust, brand development/perception/reputation and actual loss of sales all will wack back jia lat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yqt View Post
    There's more to professional studio shots than just shooting at f.20
    That studio is very rich to afford the world's most elusive f/0.20 lens!

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    Quote Originally Posted by yqt View Post
    For me when doing "mess production" shots, shooting at f.20 gives me the option to step down ( shooting a lighter colour product ) and opening up ( shooting a darker product ) without adjusting the lights and keep a consistant light set up thus, shoot faster and more importantly, having enough depth of field when I need to open up the f. Just one of the reasons why some perfers to shoot at higher f.
    ah, ok, i see what you mean.

    my experience was largely with (ironically) models.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yqt View Post
    There's more to professional studio shots than just shooting at f.20
    yes, controlling the light and getting it right (effect, exposure, etc) is not as easy as most people think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catchlights View Post
    some time 500ws studio strobe also too power for digital.

    look at the shadows, one studio light already gave f11~f16 at minimum power, two lights will give f22 liao lor.
    Quote Originally Posted by yqt View Post
    For me when doing "mess production" shots, shooting at f.20 gives me the option to step down ( shooting a lighter colour product ) and opening up ( shooting a darker product ) without adjusting the lights and keep a consistant light set up thus, shoot faster and more importantly, having enough depth of field when I need to open up the f. Just one of the reasons why some perfers to shoot at higher f.
    Thanx for the explanation sirs. Pro Chu Si Pro ah!
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    Just got to read this thread.

    Alas I thought Joseph Hong has close shop already. I was also conned by this so called stylist and editor. (He had an office in Bukit Timah Shopping Centre).


    Here it goes:

    A coupe of years ago, I was contact by this so called Editor, stylist from Media Warehouse, Joseph Hong. He said that his client wanted 7 simple product shots on white background and he will do the art direct, styling and edge out. I just do the shoot. As it was a magazine he needed to have a margin for mark up. After some bargaining I settle for $30 per shot.

    Did the 7 shots of Bird Nest Product in the presence of the client, burn into CD and collect on the images the spot. As the client was present, Joseph told me he will sent the cheque of $210 to me at the next shoot in a week's time. BTW throughout the shoot Joseph did nothing and I have to style the products and also show the client the angle etc.

    The next week came and this time the client came with more bird nest products ie 7 more. Joseph did not turn up and call to say his assistant will be there. The assistant(a part timer) came but without the cheque for the first shoot. I had to carry on the shoot as not to create a scene in front of his client. Shoot done, CD given.

    After 8 months despite constant chasing and visiting his office, I could not get any payment.

    Went to Small Claim Tribunal and on two hearings, Joseph Hong did not even bother to turn up. Was supposed to get a bailiff and go to his office to seize items. I gave up as it is taking too much of my time and effort for $420 and I already spent about $100+ for the SCT process. I check around and his office is gone and I thought this joker Joseph Hong is gone,

    Never knew he is still around conning ppl. Photographer and consumer beware of this joker.

    BTW a sample of my image taken can be seen here

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    Quote Originally Posted by chngpe01 View Post
    BTW a sample of my image taken can be seen here
    you can kana con ah Did you get to keep those bird nests

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