Men's Health fashion Show (8 April 2004) Graphic Intensive

zekai · 13th April 2004

Finally something we guys can wear. (if we can afford the like of Versace and Armani) Of course the gals finally get their own eye candy.

Shot on film: Fuji Speria 400, with 1/90, ex 420 minus 1/2 stop, Sigma 24-70mm. Shot at F4.5

Critic welcome.

mpenza · 13th April 2004

Thanks for sharing. just wondering... you bought ticket for the show?

just realised the Country Road show last Saturday is free and open to public....

zekai · 13th April 2004

nope, got an invitation.

zekai · 14th April 2004

Anyone know anybody from here.

di0nysus · 14th April 2004

whites seems blown, what ISO did u use?

zekai · 14th April 2004

iso 400.............

clive · 14th April 2004

hmmz yeah a bit too overxposed..maybe coz the lighting inside the tent a bit dim? so throw off the meter by a bit. but the colours still got the "event-mood" kinda colour =)

silverfrond · 14th April 2004

Originally Posted by zekai

Anyone know anybody from here.

guy right in front with long sleeve green shirt is TS Sim from Blu Inc
i cant figure who are the rest

Clown · 14th April 2004

Originally Posted by zekai

Anyone know anybody from here.

i've seen that bald buy on the right during most fashion events.

sehsuan · 15th April 2004

personally speaking, i find that the flash throws off ugly shadows.

zekai · 15th April 2004

Originally Posted by sehsuan

personally speaking, i find that the flash throws off ugly shadows.

yeah i saw the shadow when i collected the cd (after scanning). I was quite disapointed too. Not sure if my EX420 can bounce well into the ceiling.

Maybe i will use a off camera flash bracket to displace my flash higher and let it bounce off a white card.

sehsuan · 15th April 2004

personally, i'm a fan of no-flash shooting during such events.

no rights and wrongs, but my guess is so long as you use a camera flash or slightly off-mounted flash, you'll still get shadows...

try referencing this video tutorials:
http://www.sportsshooter.com/special...ght/index.html

mpenza · 15th April 2004

Originally Posted by sehsuan

personally, i'm a fan of no-flash shooting during such events.

no rights and wrongs, but my guess is so long as you use a camera flash or slightly off-mounted flash, you'll still get shadows...

try referencing this video tutorials:
http://www.sportsshooter.com/special...ght/index.html

The pros/regulars generally shoot with flash, sometimes necessary as fill-in to get rid of shadows cast by the overhead spotlights or to get a good balance of exposure of the models vis-a-vis the background which may be bright/white.

If no flash is used, for the first scenario, you may get harsh ugly shadows on the models; for the second, you may get either severely underexposed models or overexposed background.

I have used flash with all my shots at the link below. didn't have very visible shadows due to the tent acting as a very big light source and the -2/3 EV flash compensation.
http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?t=68977

sehsuan · 15th April 2004

mpenza, you mean like, top lighting casting shadows on noses etc?

mpenza · 15th April 2004

Originally Posted by sehsuan

mpenza, you mean like, top lighting casting shadows on noses etc?

yup, both top and side. with a fast lens, high iso and appropriate shutter speeds, the shadows could be minimised (ambient lighting will help overpower the shadows, hence lessening the effect)

Prismatic · 15th April 2004

The flash is a tad too strong, and you might be taking your pictures a bit too close to the runway, resulting in the larger than life shadow behind the model.

There are a few ways to overcome this, such as -1 flash compensation, a diffuser or bounce card etc etc. You have to watch it if you are going to use a off shoe flash, cos it doesn't get rid of shadows, it only throws them in a different direction. The shadows will still appear if you are unfamiliar on how to point the flash properly.

And by the way, the lighting seemed to be pretty okay, was that a need to use flash? I've been to some runway shows, actually most shows are quite well-lit, even if there are like coloured lights for ambience and effect, there are usually 'hotspots' which are lit for the models to pose for the photographers. When the lighting is really really poor, for fashion photographers, they have no choice but to fire their flashes. This is because as their photos are going to be used in catalogues and magazines, they need to show the clothes in their original colours.

mpenza · 15th April 2004

Originally Posted by Image

I am curious to know whether those colors spot light ( e.g. yellow, green or red) on the model faces will turn out to be too yellowish ,greenish or reddish if I do not have a flash light for a closer shot of them? Would the built-in flash helps?

Anyone can help me?

the color cast would be there. built-in flash could help but it has a very limited range and sometimes the spotlights are so powerful that even an external flash is not able to get rid of the cast.

Prismatic · 15th April 2004

Originally Posted by Image

Thank you Mpenza !
So how to get rid of these extreme color cast since I dont have a good zoom lens and flash.
Any other good suggestions?
Wonder why some said flash is not necessary. Should we use it even if the lighting is sufficient for the show or should I just turn to the wider aperture for help.

Hmm, maybe you can tell us why do you think flash is necessary? Then we can answer you better.

mpenza · 15th April 2004

Originally Posted by Image

Thank you Mpenza !
So how to get rid of these extreme color cast since I dont have a good zoom lens and flash.
Any other good suggestions?
Wonder why some said flash is not necessary. Should we use it even if the lighting is sufficient for the show or should I just turn to the wider aperture for help.

depends on situation. sometimes, you'll want to use flash as a fill-in to get rid of color cast and shadows on the face/clothers; other times you may want to use flash as the main lighting to have handholdable shutter speeds (usually when the stage lighting is bad). if the stage lighting is good, you may not need to use flash.

have to clarify that I'm still quite a newbie to shooting at fashion shows. for some time, I was shooting at 1/500s to 1/1000s with external flash on the S602Z and got very sharp pics but harsh shadows

mpenza · 15th April 2004

Thanks. I believe I've done a bit of color correction cos I was using AWB. The original pics were a little yellowish.

The first series (3 postings) were done in the day@ the tent. shutter speeds were good and the lighting superb.

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zekai Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,737	Men's Health fashion Show (8 April 2004) Graphic Intensive Finally something we guys can wear. (if we can afford the like of Versace and Armani) Of course the gals finally get their own eye candy. Shot on film: Fuji Speria 400, with 1/90, ex 420 minus 1/2 stop, Sigma 24-70mm. Shot at F4.5 Critic welcome. __________________ http://alextan.net

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zekai Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,737	nope, got an invitation. __________________ http://alextan.net

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zekai Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,737	Anyone know anybody from here. __________________ http://alextan.net

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zekai Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,737	iso 400............. __________________ http://alextan.net

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mpenza Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 13,397	Thanks. I believe I've done a bit of color correction cos I was using AWB. The original pics were a little yellowish. The first series (3 postings) were done in the day@ the tent. shutter speeds were good and the lighting superb. Last edited by mpenza; 15th April 2004 at 06:17 PM.

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di0nysus Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: macpherson Posts: 987	whites seems blown, what ISO did u use?

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clive Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 2,573	hmmz yeah a bit too overxposed..maybe coz the lighting inside the tent a bit dim? so throw off the meter by a bit. but the colours still got the "event-mood" kinda colour =)

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sehsuan Deregistered Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Singapore Posts: 6,674	personally speaking, i find that the flash throws off ugly shadows.

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Prismatic Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: In the void. Posts: 1,215	The flash is a tad too strong, and you might be taking your pictures a bit too close to the runway, resulting in the larger than life shadow behind the model. There are a few ways to overcome this, such as -1 flash compensation, a diffuser or bounce card etc etc. You have to watch it if you are going to use a off shoe flash, cos it doesn't get rid of shadows, it only throws them in a different direction. The shadows will still appear if you are unfamiliar on how to point the flash properly. And by the way, the lighting seemed to be pretty okay, was that a need to use flash? I've been to some runway shows, actually most shows are quite well-lit, even if there are like coloured lights for ambience and effect, there are usually 'hotspots' which are lit for the models to pose for the photographers. When the lighting is really really poor, for fashion photographers, they have no choice but to fire their flashes. This is because as their photos are going to be used in catalogues and magazines, they need to show the clothes in their original colours.