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    Default Image directions... needed.


    1. in what area is critique to be sought?
    General C&C, further ps into something more interesting... like a painting and to which level of manipulation that you will still find it good or best.

    2. what one hopes to achieve with the piece of work?
    I added yellow filter and increase saturation to bring out more colours to an otherwise bland image into something more interesting... like a painting

    3. under what circumstance is the picture taken? (physical conditions/emotions)
    (See my post for the original image)
    This final image isn't what I originally intended for when I post processed it.
    Using ps to try to improve on the tonal quality of this image, somehow it became clear that this might be further ps into something more interesting... like a painting. I added yellow filter and increase saturation to bring out more colours to an otherwise bland image.

    4. what the critique seeker personally thinks of the picture
    Fall blindly 'in love' with my own work after added yellow filter and increase saturation to bring out more colours to an otherwise bland image that now looks like a painting.



    Dear mod. This is my second request of the same image for critique. There is a same image in Kit's #3 Outing Photo thread. There isn't any feedback on this image for that thread and I really wanted to know the general csers their view and opinion on this image. Thank you.

    This final image isn't what I originally intended for when I post processed it.
    Using ps to try to improve on the tonal quality of this image, somehow it became clear that this might be further ps into something more interesting... like a painting. I added yellow filter and increase saturation to bring out more colours to an otherwise bland image.

    1. General C&C
    2. Your opinion on an image taken by a digital camera that was post processed to look like a painting. Yes. Opinion can be very personal but please include reason why you like or dislike it and as well as to which level of manipulation that you will still find it good or best.

    This will help me to do a reality check and not to fall blindly 'in love' with my own work. It will help me to decide whether to further explore into this area of post processing.

    Thank you.



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    Quote Originally Posted by coolthought View Post
    Dear mod. This is my second request of the same image for critique. There is a same image in Kit's #3 Outing Photo thread. There isn't any feedback on this image for that thread and I really wanted to know the general csers their view and opinion on this image. Thank you.

    This final image isn't what I originally intended for when I post processed it.
    Using ps to try to improve on the tonal quality of this image, somehow it became clear that this might be further ps into something more interesting... like a painting. I added yellow filter and increase saturation to bring out more colours to an otherwise bland image.

    1. General C&C
    2. Your opinion on an image taken by a digital camera that was post processed to look like a painting. Yes. Opinion can be very personal but please include reason why you like or dislike it and as well as to which level of manipulation that you will still find it good or best.

    This will help me to do a reality check and not to fall blindly 'in love' with my own work. It will help me to decide whether to further explore into this area of post processing.

    Thank you.



    A larger image can be view here
    Hi,

    may i know what is the focus of this picture? Is it the glass buildings? Personally i thought the reflection looks more like a (oil?) painting, compared to the actual building itself. There should be nicer glass buildings around though...did you purposely take a building undergoing construction?

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    The sky is overdone...too much purple..btw, is the image cropped?coz the larger version looks soft...If not wrong, these 2 buildings are the 2 lone buildings on extreme left, slightly further away from other buildings...and to me, these 2 always seem like the first to sacrifice when my lens is not wide enough.....why do you wana make a subject out of this 2? top part rather tight...nt much space to breathe..
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    Looks blur.
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    Thank you all for your precious feedback.

    Quote Originally Posted by cityhunter66 View Post
    Hi,

    may i know what is the focus of this picture? Is it the glass buildings? Personally i thought the reflection looks more like a (oil?) painting, compared to the actual building itself. There should be nicer glass buildings around though...did you purposely take a building undergoing construction?
    I was looking for something people tends to overlook in the marina bay area that still might be interesting. These 2 new commercial buildings are well spaced out from the usual Singapore skyline. Giving it space around the buildings that you won't find in other buildings in the shenton way. Not really purposely taking a building still undergoing construction but I feel it somewhat add a bit of interest to an almost completed building.

    Quote Originally Posted by ovaltinemilo View Post
    The sky is overdone...too much purple..btw, is the image cropped?coz the larger version looks soft...If not wrong, these 2 buildings are the 2 lone buildings on extreme left, slightly further away from other buildings...and to me, these 2 always seem like the first to sacrifice when my lens is not wide enough.....why do you wana make a subject out of this 2? top part rather tight...nt much space to breathe..
    i just added yellow filter 40% and increase saturation. The intention is to add warm and colour to the image. Purple is just a result from these processes otherwise the image is just bluish and grey which I think is kind of dull.

    Yes these 2 buildings are the ones most peeps will cut it out of the Singapore skyline. Yes I was trying hard to find a way to frame it properly. Seems like portrait is able to give it some space. Still not enough?? I will try to post the original image and you can compare it.

    Quote Originally Posted by wesleytjq View Post
    Looks blur.
    you mean soft? It didn't occur to me that the softness might be "spoiling" the image. Painting doesn't always show tack sharp image of the subject. I will try to reprocess it again with some sharpening and see how it turn out.
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    if you like your output why bother about what others say ???
    For any great work of art there will be those that love it and hate it to equal measure....

    for me this is a nice picture, nothing spectacular, no great emotions either..

    cheers, happy shooting !!
    and of course happy post processing !!
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    agreed. if u like it, why care what others say? u paid money to buy a camera to make photos for yourself to see. u happy can already. different people have different preference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by driveanegg View Post
    for me this is a nice picture, nothing spectacular, no great emotions either..
    it probably just a nice picture... so what to do to make it outstanding? Reshoot? Process the image differently?


    Quote Originally Posted by driveanegg View Post
    if you like your output why bother about what others say ???
    For any great work of art there will be those that love it and hate it to equal measure....
    Quote Originally Posted by auden09 View Post
    agreed. if u like it, why care what others say? u paid money to buy a camera to make photos for yourself to see. u happy can already. different people have different preference.
    It is not that I really care how other feel about it. As I mentioned, it is a way not to fall "blindly in love" with your own work.

    Seeing what others see allows one to view the same thing with new angle and perspective. Thereby hopefully, gain another level in the craft.

    Quote Originally Posted by driveanegg View Post
    cheers, happy shooting !!
    and of course happy post processing !!
    Thank you.

    PS. I will try to post the pre-process image for comparison by tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by auden09 View Post
    agreed. if u like it, why care what others say? u paid money to buy a camera to make photos for yourself to see. u happy can already. different people have different preference.
    i beg to disagree.

    making a photograph without a viewer in mind is like saying that you should bake a cake that no one eats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolthought View Post
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    the reason why critique is hard to give in those "mass outings" thread is that there's just too much going on in there, you have 8000 people making their posts, and after a while you just look.

    i have no problems with the color here, nor the effect. it is definitely unnatural, but it doesn't go beyond my personal tolerance, other than that very, very faint halo for the building on the right. can close one eye to it though.

    i think the main trouble here lies with the composition. as much as you did try to ensure that there is equal space given to reflection and subject, this is still a bit too tight for me, especially at the bottom.

    other than that, you might want to think about this so-called 'rule' of odds, which is less widespread than the happily trumpeted rule of thirds (which is incidentally breakable and is broken here):

    The "rule of odds" states that by framing the object of interest in an artwork with an even number of surrounding objects, it becomes more comforting to the eye, thus creates a feeling of ease and pleasure.[citation needed] It is based on the assumption that humans tend to find visual images that reflect their own preferences/wishes in life more pleasing and attractive.

    An image of a person surrounded/framed by two other persons, for instance, where the person in the center is the object of interest in that image/artwork, is more likely to be perceived as friendly and comforting by the viewer, than an image of a single person with no significant surroundings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    the reason why critique is hard to give in those "mass outings" thread is that there's just too much going on in there, you have 8000 people making their posts, and after a while you just look.

    i have no problems with the color here, nor the effect. it is definitely unnatural, but it doesn't go beyond my personal tolerance, other than that very, very faint halo for the building on the right. can close one eye to it though.

    i think the main trouble here lies with the composition. as much as you did try to ensure that there is equal space given to reflection and subject, this is still a bit too tight for me, especially at the bottom.

    other than that, you might want to think about this so-called 'rule' of odds, which is less widespread than the happily trumpeted rule of thirds (which is incidentally breakable and is broken here):
    Thank you for your valuable insight.

    1. The colour....mmm... I will post another photo that was processed till just before adding the yellow filter and increasing saturation for comparison. If you didn't mention it, I would have totally miss the faint halo.

    2. I will need to reshoot from a different angle and frame it differently to see how I can improve on the composition.

    3. "rule of odds" this is something I've yet come across in any books or magazines but surprisingly the result return from google is 1.18 million. Interestingly, Kit mention something like this when I ask why are there now so many buildings built recently are in three... the most famous now is none other than mbs. Didn't know that this is actually widely used.

    This is something I really have to try for my next outing. THANK YOU so much.

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    These are the 2 images.

    PS processed. Before adding yellow filter and increase saturation.

    Larger image

    Preprocessed. Only resizing.

    Larger image

    PS. In case someone wonder why colour tone is so different, the ps process is through using raw file and wb.
    Last edited by coolthought; 26th May 2010 at 12:19 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolthought View Post

    This final image isn't what I originally intended for when I post processed it.
    Using ps to try to improve on the tonal quality of this image, somehow it became clear that this might be further ps into something more interesting... like a painting. I added yellow filter and increase saturation to bring out more colours to an otherwise bland image.

    1. General C&C
    2. Your opinion on an image taken by a digital camera that was post processed to look like a painting. Yes. Opinion can be very personal but please include reason why you like or dislike it and as well as to which level of manipulation that you will still find it good or best.
    Quote Originally Posted by auden09 View Post
    agreed. if u like it, why care what others say? u paid money to buy a camera to make photos for yourself to see. u happy can already. different people have different preference.

    Looking at your original picture, i guessed you had done a great job in PP. At least the final image stunned me questioning if this is Singapore? Ha! I personally like the way you had processed your image, at least it looks comfortable to me, and it's sharp at small-sized image; a perfect image to be put on mobile's phone wallpaper. What's more you had achieved what u want the picture to look like a painting.

    You can't pleased everybody with any piece of work. Stay on with your own style, it's the point that many people had forgo in order to please the majority, yet it's the point that makes one unique. Nevertheless, accept feedback with an open mind.
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    Personally, I liked the original one better because I know where you are coming from.

    The only thing that I would say about it is watch out for that magenta cast.

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    Hi coolthought,

    Your 1st post requesting for critiques did not follow the guidelines. Please read the guidelines for this section and edit your first post to conform. Please do so by tomorrow to avoid for the thread being deleted. Thanks for your cooperation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    making a photograph without a viewer in mind is like saying that you should bake a cake that no one eats.
    Damn. That's why I'm so fat. I eat them myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    i beg to disagree.

    making a photograph without a viewer in mind is like saying that you should bake a cake that no one eats.
    Agree with you, in this situation.

    When a person posts in CC (Critique Corner), it means he is asking for opinion of others, for whatever purpose but most likely because he wants to learn more (because we can't know everything and there's always someone more experienced and knows more than us and even then, we're only human to miss out things).

    There are other people like driveanegg and auden09 who won't be asking for C&C in their photos, or people just happy to shoot shoot. If TS was happy with his photo, then he wouldn't have put up in CC already thus I find what you guys said just being non-constructive.

    Myself, all my photos that I post up in forum are up for criticism (hopefully constructive ones)... but that's me. I also don't mind a bit of "good job" to let me know I'm going in the right direction of learning but overall, I take the good with the bad, and now that I've learnt a bit more, to filter the good from the bad (not all criticism are rated the same and I tend to be more biased to a few more experienced photographers, even if I welcome all criticisms).

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post

    There are other people like driveanegg and auden09 who won't be asking for C&C in their photos, or people just happy to shoot shoot. If TS was happy with his photo, then he wouldn't have put up in CC already thus I find what you guys said just being non-constructive.

    Myself, all my photos that I post up in forum are up for criticism (hopefully constructive ones)... but that's me. I also don't mind a bit of "good job" to let me know I'm going in the right direction of learning but overall, I take the good with the bad, and now that I've learnt a bit more, to filter the good from the bad (not all criticism are rated the same and I tend to be more biased to a few more experienced photographers, even if I welcome all criticisms).
    like i've said before, there are two types of photos which are "good" to the photographer. one is the type that will be good because it is good in itself, i.e. photos that will stand out, photos that are taken well, photos that express a mood well, the list goes on.

    there is the other sort, which is kinda subjective. a photo which has a special meaning to you, but isn't that competent composition wise, or exposure wise. but you like it, because of the subject, because of the memory, because of something in that that means more to you than it would to anyone else.

    i think it's important to differentiate the two. for example, a picture of your child or loved one may not be taken very well, but it could be the best picture you ever took in your life. but no one else might find it good. so this differentiation and self-awareness would be great, since you don't end up posting it online happily and feeling upset when everyone else says that it's horrible.

    of course, there are photos which are both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ziploc View Post
    Hi coolthought,

    Your 1st post requesting for critiques did not follow the guidelines. Please read the guidelines for this section and edit your first post to conform. Please do so by tomorrow to avoid for the thread being deleted. Thanks for your cooperation.
    Oh... my apologies....

    I tot I'm doing fine since all threads here are moderated and "approved" by a moderator before it will appear in this sub-forum.

    yes... if I'm required to place my left foot forward first, I will place my left foot forward first. Yes sir I will!

    Please let me know if I have done it correctly.

    Thank you so much for giving this thread a chance to follow the guidelines.

    PS. There are a invalid link in the guidelines for this section thread.
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    Yes it is ok now. It could have been approved by mistake by a mod.

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